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Post by Ray on Oct 24, 2019 2:40:04 GMT -5
When cheats are found in sports, aren’t their records normally wiped?
I know you can’t go back and award wins to people they beat because of the work involved, but is it possible to wipe their records anyway?
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Post by Riotous on Oct 24, 2019 4:21:33 GMT -5
🤨 TGCTours will have a better policy dealing with offenders than sport does.... Athletics - Gatlin, gets a ban returns wins Swimming - Sun Yang, his bodyguard used a hammer to smash a vial of his urine before a dope test, he’s still collecting medals Cycling - Armstrong, record wiped but who can tell me the Tour de France winners from those years Football - no premiership footballer caught for performance enhancing drugs, really? Boxing - big stars fight twice a year, because drug testing in US is only carried out a set number of weeks before the fight, and even when they are stupid enough to get caught they get a back dated ban or bring in enough money to make the issue go away - Canelo My apologies, rant over.
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dg727272
Weekend Golfer
Posts: 129
TGCT Name: David Guest
Tour: PGA
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Post by dg727272 on Oct 24, 2019 7:49:18 GMT -5
...at this point I would simply to add a 3 months ban after every score pulled after the 3rd. It would be a good problem for those who wants to fight for WGR and every standings. Oooohhhh...kind of like in MLB and NFL with performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs). I kinda like this idea. 1st pull = 3 mos, 2nd = 6 mos, 3rd = hasta la vista baby. I believe a certain player got pulled in euro this week btw.
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Post by Brighttail on Oct 24, 2019 9:56:54 GMT -5
The problem with pulling the results is that it gives the admin a tonne of work to do. Each person has to be moved up one spot and the prize money adjusted, then the Fed Ex points adjusted, then the WGR adjusted, ect. Lotta work for one tournament, let alone an entire season.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Oct 24, 2019 10:12:22 GMT -5
I think we need to be careful calling people cheats (in fact it's against the rules to do so).
Most people that fail fair play are able to move on without issue. There are some where it takes trial and error, especially if they've been swinging a particular way for a long time...it's hard to wipe that out of muscle memory. And let's be real here...flicking isn't a blatant cheat like using a script or something. Most of our members have no idea that flicking is even a thing. And it really shouldn't be a thing. It's a game flaw.
If a person was found to be cheating, their account would be banned. That's plain and simple. The three strikes fair play rule has nothing to do with cheaters. Cheaters get banned.
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Post by paddyjk19 on Oct 24, 2019 16:47:21 GMT -5
...at this point I would simply to add a 3 months ban after every score pulled after the 3rd. It would be a good problem for those who wants to fight for WGR and every standings. Oooohhhh...kind of like in MLB and NFL with performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs). I kinda like this idea. 1st pull = 3 mos, 2nd = 6 mos, 3rd = hasta la vista baby. I believe a certain player got pulled in euro this week btw. Oooh do tell...
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Post by Generic_Casual on Oct 24, 2019 18:41:24 GMT -5
Pfffttt....Jeff tried to suck the fun out of this! You all need to be more subtle with your words! Like me and fadgewacker !
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Oct 24, 2019 20:58:31 GMT -5
I think we need to be careful calling people cheats (in fact it's against the rules to do so). Most people that fail fair play are able to move on without issue. There are some where it takes trial and error, especially if they've been swinging a particular way for a long time...it's hard to wipe that out of muscle memory. And let's be real here...flicking isn't a blatant cheat like using a script or something. Most of our members have no idea that flicking is even a thing. And it really shouldn't be a thing. It's a game flaw. If a person was found to be cheating, their account would be banned. That's plain and simple. The three strikes fair play rule has nothing to do with cheaters. Cheaters get banned. You're totally right. Sorry. I simplified/generalized and is wrong. I don't even exactly know what "using a script" means (i can imagine it, but probably I prefer to don't know it exactly) 👀 And I know that the short flick is in fact a flaw of the game..and I also know that a lot of guys do it being not aware of it..or not with the wish to gain an advantage. But whatever this thing can be, the result (WHEN trained in such a way that your ball go always straight, then with the malice to gain an unfair advantage) actually this attitude creates, a cheat. I know this thing is intended and used in this immoral way just by a (relatively) little number of players..but these players are gaining a very unfair advantage. And results shows this. I also finally checked how short swing exactly works..what results you obtain..and is hard to say is not a cheat when you see what it happens. I can't imagine how we could score something worst than a -12 every round if our ball goes everytime where we aim. Is just for this reason that, even if I perfectly understand what you mean, in the end i partially disagree with the statement that short flick is not a cheat. Cause i agree that at the very start is not. But when it is used with that kind of malice, I think it definitely is. Of course, is simply almost impossible to understand who is doing it with this attitude..and we can't do a trial to the intentions, so i totally understand your point of view..but is maybe untrue that if I should see that with my swing my ball goes everytime straight with no deviations, I could understand by myself, with no need of some API, that something must be wrong? Is just this, for me, the only weak point when someone says "is my natural swing". If you can see that your natural swing gives to you an unfair advantage, just work on it and change it. After all we are talking about to move a stick with a finger simulating a swing in the most easy and intuitive possible way..is not about quantum's theory. It can't be so hard. It can be hard only to obtain good results. But this is already a total different problem. And is also the real problem behind all this thing, in my eyes.
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Post by Brighttail on Oct 24, 2019 21:55:28 GMT -5
I think we need to be careful calling people cheats (in fact it's against the rules to do so). Most people that fail fair play are able to move on without issue. There are some where it takes trial and error, especially if they've been swinging a particular way for a long time...it's hard to wipe that out of muscle memory. And let's be real here...flicking isn't a blatant cheat like using a script or something. Most of our members have no idea that flicking is even a thing. And it really shouldn't be a thing. It's a game flaw. If a person was found to be cheating, their account would be banned. That's plain and simple. The three strikes fair play rule has nothing to do with cheaters. Cheaters get banned. I applaud your desire and actions in this case. My only concern is the people who are definitely trying to get better. After they get dinged, they only got two more chances to fix their issue before they are facing some stiff penalties. This is why I advocated that if a person is in a situation with 3 strikes against them, they can remove one of those strikes with 4+ weeks of clean play, heck make it 8 weeks if you want but for those people I think giving them the chance of working out the new swing and then being able to play 4-8 weeks straight with no issues should be rewarded in some way. I would say THEN after that period, they can qualify for majors but if they get another.... done like a relapse. In the end it gives those people who are truly trying to work things out, trying different controllers ect the ability to do so without fear of their third strike.
If I was on a controller got a strike, got a new one and got a strike, I would be a nervous wreck knowing my next one was going to be a huge penalty and I still haven't gotten any closer to fixing the issue. Let them get that third one as they continue work the issues out but at least give them a single way to get back out. Once the issues are fixed, you got one chance to go 4, 6, 8 weeks to go perfect. You do .. you are back to 2 strikes, but get another after being so clean, then it is over.
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Post by fadgewacker on Oct 25, 2019 4:36:04 GMT -5
I think we need to be careful calling people cheats (in fact it's against the rules to do so). Most people that fail fair play are able to move on without issue. There are some where it takes trial and error, especially if they've been swinging a particular way for a long time...it's hard to wipe that out of muscle memory. And let's be real here...flicking isn't a blatant cheat like using a script or something. Most of our members have no idea that flicking is even a thing. And it really shouldn't be a thing. It's a game flaw. If a person was found to be cheating, their account would be banned. That's plain and simple. The three strikes fair play rule has nothing to do with cheaters. Cheaters get banned. I applaud your desire and actions in this case. My only concern is the people who are definitely trying to get better. After they get dinged, they only got two more chances to fix their issue before they are facing some stiff penalties. This is why I advocated that if a person is in a situation with 3 strikes against them, they can remove one of those strikes with 4+ weeks of clean play, heck make it 8 weeks if you want but for those people I think giving them the chance of working out the new swing and then being able to play 4-8 weeks straight with no issues should be rewarded in some way. I would say THEN after that period, they can qualify for majors but if they get another.... done like a relapse. In the end it gives those people who are truly trying to work things out, trying different controllers ect the ability to do so without fear of their third strike.
If I was on a controller got a strike, got a new one and got a strike, I would be a nervous wreck knowing my next one was going to be a huge penalty and I still haven't gotten any closer to fixing the issue. Let them get that third one as they continue work the issues out but at least give them a single way to get back out. Once the issues are fixed, you got one chance to go 4, 6, 8 weeks to go perfect. You do .. you are back to 2 strikes, but get another after being so clean, then it is over.
That's why I quite like the TST model. Get pinged, for whatever reason, and you miss a week. Use the week to sort your swing, with admin, and test that to see how it goes. Don't just jump right back on the horse and fall straight off. 2nd pull - take 2 weeks off. Same as before - work on it. 3rd Pull - After 3 spare weeks and 2 competitive weeks - 5 full weeks of trying to comply, and failing, it's a season exclusion. At no point in any of that process is anybody to be labelled, or should be labelled a cheat. But 5 weeks unfair advantage vs your peers, with an unsatisfactory result on trying to fix that, shows something of a lack of commitment to fix it, or a lack of regard for competing fairly, IMO. **This is my opinion, not the opinion of...bla...bla...bla**
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csfromks
Weekend Golfer
Posts: 95
TGCT Name: csfromks
Tour: CC-Pro
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Post by csfromks on Oct 25, 2019 9:04:25 GMT -5
I think we need to be careful calling people cheats (in fact it's against the rules to do so). Most people that fail fair play are able to move on without issue. There are some where it takes trial and error, especially if they've been swinging a particular way for a long time...it's hard to wipe that out of muscle memory. And let's be real here...flicking isn't a blatant cheat like using a script or something. Most of our members have no idea that flicking is even a thing. And it really shouldn't be a thing. It's a game flaw. If a person was found to be cheating, their account would be banned. That's plain and simple. The three strikes fair play rule has nothing to do with cheaters. Cheaters get banned. I applaud your desire and actions in this case. My only concern is the people who are definitely trying to get better. After they get dinged, they only got two more chances to fix their issue before they are facing some stiff penalties. This is why I advocated that if a person is in a situation with 3 strikes against them, they can remove one of those strikes with 4+ weeks of clean play, heck make it 8 weeks if you want but for those people I think giving them the chance of working out the new swing and then being able to play 4-8 weeks straight with no issues should be rewarded in some way. I would say THEN after that period, they can qualify for majors but if they get another.... done like a relapse. In the end it gives those people who are truly trying to work things out, trying different controllers ect the ability to do so without fear of their third strike.
If I was on a controller got a strike, got a new one and got a strike, I would be a nervous wreck knowing my next one was going to be a huge penalty and I still haven't gotten any closer to fixing the issue. Let them get that third one as they continue work the issues out but at least give them a single way to get back out. Once the issues are fixed, you got one chance to go 4, 6, 8 weeks to go perfect. You do .. you are back to 2 strikes, but get another after being so clean, then it is over.
Thank you! Something other than, "Witch, burn em!" I've had my first two pings since the season started in Sept and I begin playing here in April. I've finally just gone back to an old controller that has sticks that are half chewed up from my dog getting a hold of the damn thing. My newer controller apparently will not pass the API test. It's a normal, non-modded, bought from Target on sale for $39.99, Sony PS controller. It took a while for me to get over the fact that sometimes, you will not be able to use a Sony controller on these tours. Even if I went out and bought a brand new controller, I would still be very worried that I would not pass the test, which puts a user in a tough spot, IMO, because it has for me. But I can whine all I want, I voluntarily joined the site and if I want to keep playing, I can't have one more ding, so I'll use the crap controller . From admin's standpoint, I understand why they have certain thresholds that if you fail, you fail. You can't do this on a case-by-case basis, too much to manage.
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Post by cshare14 on Oct 28, 2019 14:00:03 GMT -5
Is there no software that can just read what controller one is using? Then just give the boot to those that aren't using a PS4 stock controller (and equivalent X Box controller)?
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Post by SmilingGoats on Oct 28, 2019 16:52:19 GMT -5
Is there no software that can just read what controller one is using? Then just give the boot to those that aren't using a PS4 stock controller (and equivalent X Box controller)? No, there isn't... and even if there were, it wouldn't account for worn or modified stock controllers.
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Post by yeltzman on Nov 5, 2019 17:06:02 GMT -5
Can i just say my controller which i have been using since the game came out (only play now and again) is ruled unfair,I stream my rounds it is very straight of the tee but no way can i say have i ever tried to cheat.Picture is below and a streamed round i can see how its deemed unfair especially of the tee,its never been flagged before but just letting people know i will not be playing again on tours,i am very sorry if i cost 50th place for anyone.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Nov 5, 2019 18:05:19 GMT -5
Can i just say my controller which i have been using since the game came out (only play now and again) is ruled unfair,I stream my rounds it is very straight of the tee but no way can i say have i ever tried to cheat.Picture is below and a streamed round i can see how its deemed unfair especially of the tee,its never been flagged before but just letting people know i will not be playing again on tours,i am very sorry if i cost 50th place for anyone. We have a fair play forum for this purpose, but your rounds failed for shots not registering properly which means the controller is going bad. Your PS4 rounds look fine, but the XB rounds are no bueno.
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