vladthemert
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Post by vladthemert on Aug 20, 2019 7:58:23 GMT -5
Agree with gdog it is just plane disgusting that hb kept quiet, it's sad but any designs rcrs have this risk mine included purgatory despite year in making. If they took offence may take similar stance and hb removed or blanked it so be it. I ran the risk but would appreciate hb informing me.
However if angc gave them ultimation then hb have to act else they risk legal action. What has changed unless hb make statement is open to debate, why now. I doubt there NDA involved unless its hb, 2k getting exclusively then why removal on 2019.
I do fear someone got exclusive digital rights that could be anyone. I am thinking we maybe seeing new rival golf game coming out which acquired angc rights. Time will tell in gaming after strange things happen. Football manager for years was denied Bundesliga on licencing grounds, meaning fake names for players and clubs. Mind you there was blind eye to modding rectify them. Same with pes who always used fake name and clubs for some leagues.
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Post by jwtexan on Aug 20, 2019 8:07:16 GMT -5
This thread just jumped into the middle of a problem. But what exactly is the issue. I could not find it. What exactly are we losing. Is there a link? Are you high? Someone started a clubhouse thread without his permission is all. So heβs offended Iβm sure. Dude remains the worst.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 8:14:21 GMT -5
Blue Orfie? When did you turn into a Viagra pill blueorfe
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Post by hoosierhoops24 on Aug 20, 2019 8:14:25 GMT -5
ANGC is being incredibly petty, but asking HB to take action isn't surprising. Golf course design and architecture can be considered "trade dress" which is a legal term for a product's total image and overall appearance like the color combinations, graphics and shapes. Trade dress is different than a product's trademark, but the owner can claim their trade dress is being infringed if the trade dress are inherently distinctive or have achieved secondary meaning in the public's mind. Think giant yellow arches to signify a restaurant. Here is a really long case from 1998 that discusses famous golf course design and characteristics as trade dress. Brew some coffee. When you add up the totality of Royce's or CLV's layout, hole designs, bunker placement, elevations, colors, and course features like the Hogan Bridge and Ray's Creek, you get ANGC trade dress living openly as a software file accessible to anyone with TGC2019 and an internet connection. Add the fact that a golf simulation is playable on these files, and it's kinda surprising this hasn't happened sooner. ANGC has also sued computer game manufacturers that used their logo and course design in the past. (See link in previous post). You could argue that nobody is buying TGC2019 specifically to play these courses, and that HB hasn't received a windfall of sales because of these courses, but those arguments are kind of irrelevant. A company can claim their trade dress has been diluted, a legal way of arguing one companyβs actions impair the distinctiveness of another companyβs products. Even though HB didn't create the files, they hosted them and knew about their existence. Companies have the right to protect against dilution by controlling how their trade dress is packaged and presented to the consuming public. Even so, it's hard to argue the TGC series hasn't been enhanced and more successful because of these files. Does it suck? Absolutely. HB/2K probably received a C&D and made a tactical conclusion that the pile of legal defense fees wasn't worth a likely losing battle. My solution: Pray the files aren't removed completely and play whack-a-mole with different identifiers. Just wanted to make the point that in the lawsuit referenced above the court ruled in favor of Tour 18, allowing them to keep their renditions of Pebble Beach, Pinehurst and Harbour Town. Both of their locations, one in Houston and one in Dallas, have recreations of Amen Corner.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 20, 2019 8:22:55 GMT -5
The dual nature of ANGC is fascinating to me.Β On one hand, they put on one of the best spectator events in the world, and they are leading the charge when it comes to digital golf coverage. On the other hand, the way they try to control their image, how the course is presented, and what people say about it, they are completely up their own ass. They clearly haven't taken a page from the NBA's playbook, where while using NBA footage isn't outright encouraged, it's most often casually ignored. If fans are creating content for you, that's a good thing! If fans are recreating your golf course by hand, this means they actually care. To think some green jacket too smart for his own good is sitting in Georgia worried about golf fans thinking about his course and golf tournament in the middle of August and wants to shut it down. In fact, this is not so surprising at all. We have to admit that we love the course, what it represents for the golf, but we just pretend to "don't know" or to forget a bit the fact that THEY ARE a$$holes. Their history is the history of the most racist and segregating golf club of the world. I bet that they intimately hate SO MUCH Tiger, just cause he forced them to allow black people to play their course created only for white delicate a$$es, instead yo be caddies, at worst. They are fascinating as a bucket of worms.. For this reason, every comparison with the NBA, historically the most inclusive, avanguardist and smart professional sport society is absolutely impossible. Honestly..maybe the best thing we could do is to let them win this crusade for idiots, started by idiots. Why don't use some other course for our master? With the great designers we have, why don't create a new designer challenge for our Master? A bit of pride, c'mon! Different is the story about the word Magnolia. HB MUST to remember to these a$$holes that the word Magnolia don't indicate only their sh!tty course. Period.
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 20, 2019 8:35:31 GMT -5
Someone started a clubhouse thread without his permission is all. So heβs offended Iβm sure. Dude remains the worst. Grow up and stop acting like a 5 year old. That post was up for MAYBE 5 minutes moron. Maybe try posting ANYTHING with actual content for a change. Maybe you should hop off you hate cycle and add content instead of trolling Do you always attack people personally? is that just who you are? **********************
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 20, 2019 8:36:49 GMT -5
I wonder if Augusta has the rights to "Magnolia"? Ohio State is trying to gain the rights to "THE" so it's possible they have all rights to "magnolia"?
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Aug 20, 2019 8:44:08 GMT -5
Next they'll be after the Master clubs, they'll be changed to Hardest clubs soon π.
I feel sorry for all the designers that have put their time into creating courses with Augusta or Magnolia in their title. I have no love for the course to be honest, but I know I'm in the minority in that regard.
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Post by jwtexan on Aug 20, 2019 8:49:31 GMT -5
Someone started a clubhouse thread without his permission is all. So heβs offended Iβm sure. Dude remains the worst. Grow up and stop acting like a 5 year old. That post was up for MAYBE 5 minutes moron. Maybe try posting ANYTHING with actual content for a change. Maybe you should hop off you hate cycle and add content instead of trolling ********************** Maybe. Look out, I've upset the creator of such great content as: "I'm not a designer but you guys make too many average courses" "I only got one promo mark this week, ugh" and "119 green speeds should be illegal"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 8:53:11 GMT -5
Next they'll be after the Master clubs, they'll be changed to Hardest clubs soon π. I feel sorry for all the designers that have put their time into creating courses with Augusta or Magnolia in their title. I have no love for the course to be honest, but I know I'm in the minority in that regard. No you are not . I think it's a clown course by design. I do respect the history though.
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Post by theclv24 on Aug 20, 2019 8:59:54 GMT -5
**** HB Studios Ok deleteing Augusta is one thing. Removing CLVs Magnolias is dubious at best. But to censor the word Magnolia is way too far. We have 2 courses on our database with magnolia in the title that have nothing to do with Augusta. RTJ Trail -Magnolia Grove - www.tgctours.com/Course/Details/21131Magnolia Meadows - www.tgctours.com/Course/Details/20989These courses are now almost unsearchable. I'd be pretty pissed if I was one of these guys who had spent 10s if not 100s of hours on these. Do ANGC own the trademark to the word Magnolia? The fact that HB haven't responded to any of this is beyond unprofessional at this point. It's been no secret that we had versions of Augusta in the game. Hell even a golf magazine did an article on this. Fantastic read if you haven't read it. A couple of highlights Read it all here imgur.com/a/L8RguE0HB backed themselves into this corner when they continued the tradition all the way from TGC1 of "we absolutely cannot allow courses to be deleted". I kind of understand HB's thinking during TGC1, but once we hit the 2nd and 3rd games and had hundreds of thousands of courses in the database, there was no longer any need to protect scores or records. Even the most vigilant player can't play more than 5% of the available database, and rarely do courses get played more than once by the same player. Amongst all that noise the records mean very little, and the database would actually benefit from people deleting their most garbage courses, but what do I know? I hope I never reach a level of pettiness to do so, but if HB follows me around and continues censoring each version of the course I make, I might feel compelled to publish "TPC Sawgrass Boston" and see which word out of that trio that they decide to censor.
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Post by jwfickett on Aug 20, 2019 9:03:07 GMT -5
Quick aside, if you enjoyed that article, please subscribe to The Golfer's Journal. It is the best publication in golf. Published quarterly, with outstanding writing, photography, architecture analysis, and evergreen stories from the far flung corners of the game. Yours truly will have an article in the upcoming volume 10 coming out in November. Would love for you all to subscribe. www.golfersjournal.com/
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Post by theclv24 on Aug 20, 2019 9:03:28 GMT -5
The dual nature of ANGC is fascinating to me. On one hand, they put on one of the best spectator events in the world, and they are leading the charge when it comes to digital golf coverage. On the other hand, the way they try to control their image, how the course is presented, and what people say about it, they are completely up their own ass. They clearly haven't taken a page from the NBA's playbook, where while using NBA footage isn't outright encouraged, it's most often casually ignored. If fans are creating content for you, that's a good thing! If fans are recreating your golf course by hand, this means they actually care. To think some green jacket too smart for his own good is sitting in Georgia worried about golf fans thinking about his course and golf tournament in the middle of August and wants to shut it down. In fact, this is not so surprising at all. We have to admit that we love the course, what it represents for the golf, but we just pretend to "don't know" or to forget a bit the fact that THEY ARE a$$holes. Their history is the history of the most racist and segregating golf club of the world. I bet that they intimately hate SO MUCH Tiger, just cause he forced them to allow black people to play their course created only for white delicate a$$es, instead yo be caddies, at worst. They are fascinating as a bucket of worms.. For this reason, every comparison with the NBA, historically the most inclusive, avanguardist and smart professional sport society is absolutely impossible. Honestly..maybe the best thing we could do is to let them win this crusade for idiots, started by idiots. Why don't use some other course for our master? With the great designers we have, why don't create a new designer challenge for our Master? A bit of pride, c'mon! Different is the story about the word Magnolia. HB MUST to remember to these a$$holes that the word Magnolia don't indicate only their sh!tty course. Period. Definitely agree. I guess the surprising thing isn't the latter portion of my statement, but that despite that they manage to put on such a great event and what they are doing with their digital coverage. Everything about Augusta's membership seems to indicate they would be clueless, but shockingly they somehow seem to be understanding pro golf better than the PGA Tour is.
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 20, 2019 9:06:33 GMT -5
Grow up and stop acting like a 5 year old. That post was up for MAYBE 5 minutes moron. Maybe try posting ANYTHING with actual content for a change. Maybe you should hop off you hate cycle and add content instead of trolling ********************** Maybe. Look out, I've upset the creator of such great content as: "I'm not a designer but you guys make too many average courses" "I only got one promo mark this week, ugh" and "119 green speeds should be illegal" Seems I created some pretty good conversations as opposed to just insulting fellow TGC players. You just troll long time players. HOWEVER - with that said I played your course last night Far Water - fantastic - loved it and so far the highest marks on the 7 Dream Team courses I have played. I gave it 5 stars and it's a Favorite
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Post by jwtexan on Aug 20, 2019 9:08:04 GMT -5
Quick aside, if you enjoyed that article, please subscribe to The Golfer's Journal. It is the best publication in golf. Published quarterly, with outstanding writing, photography, architecture analysis, and evergreen stories from the far flung corners of the game. Yours truly will have an article in the upcoming volume 10 coming out in November. Would love for you all to subscribe. www.golfersjournal.com/Seconded. It is the best.
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