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Post by drivert on Aug 16, 2019 21:19:33 GMT -5
I challenge the community to play this course and explain why it should be rejected. Just know this course was built to be an extreme challenge and if you do not have your best game and execute the shots that are demanded of you then you will be punished. I suppose that we need to create courses that will not push the best players to be better. If courses like this are not what is needed for a site dedicated to competition level tournament golf then Im done submitting my courses to TGC Tours. The reviewer challenged me to allow the community to voice their opinion so here it is the place where you can say what you think about the course. If you think its hard then that is what is meant to be This course has a four star rating on xbox with around 200 plays within one week
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Post by rhino4life on Aug 16, 2019 21:43:22 GMT -5
I heard this was rejected because it was too hard and "other things". Will give it a tug and see what i see.
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ssa1950
Weekend Golfer
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TGCT Name: CC - Pro
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Post by ssa1950 on Aug 16, 2019 21:48:17 GMT -5
I have played The Tsunami Club and it is a very difficult course to play. I did not find any technical problems with the course. Sculpting and planting were spot on. In my opinion whoever rejected this course does not have a good understanding of what makes a great course and they should be rejected. This course is a tour level tester for the best golfers in here. I support this course to remain in the database.
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Post by welikeitroughnc on Aug 16, 2019 22:04:25 GMT -5
I’ve had a similar experience with a course I worked on for over a year, was finally “ accepted “ but somehow not tour worthy.... I’ve been designing for a long time just like you have. This is frustrating at this point as I know you make good courses. I’m going to give this a spin and report back
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 16, 2019 22:14:10 GMT -5
Challenge accepted.
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Post by xEB50x on Aug 16, 2019 22:50:11 GMT -5
Played the course and thought it was an excellent course. I’ve been waiting along time to find a quality course that offers a real challenge! This course fit the bill!!! Clean difficult but fair. It’s a long course and requires shot placement and you will pay the price for a miss hit. Exactly what we need for the pro tour player. Thanks for a great course!
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Post by jacobkessler on Aug 16, 2019 22:50:39 GMT -5
Challenging? Yes.
Not worthy of being approved? lol...
Unless there’s a blatant error with a pin being on a red slope or a hole which you can’t finish, there’s no reason that course shouldn’t be accepted.
Signed, Former head reviewer who happened to write the active (I think) course review guidelines.
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Post by coruler2 on Aug 16, 2019 23:22:47 GMT -5
I challenge the community to play this course and explain why it should be rejected. Just know this course was built to be an extreme challenge and if you do not have your best game and execute the shots that are demanded of you then you will be punished. I suppose that we need to create courses that will not push the best players to be better. If courses like this are not what is needed for a site dedicated to competition level tournament golf then Im done submitting my courses to TGC Tours. The reviewer challenged me to allow the community to voice their opinion so here it is the place where you can say what you think about the course. If you think its hard then that is what is meant to be This course has a four star rating on xbox with around 200 plays within one week If courses like this are not what is needed for a site dedicated to competition level tournament golf then Im done submitting my courses to TGC Tours.
I just want to understand why you feel the need to take this to the public forum and condemn TGCTours as a whole for not approving this course when it's very likely just one reviewer having harder line of subjectivity, and all you need to do is email me or Andre and get it checked and approved. From the course designer page, you have 43 TOUR WORTHY courses accepted to the database, which is more than ANY OTHER DESIGNER who submits to TGCTours. 25 of your courses have been ON TOUR, which is 3rd all-time. I don't see any injustice, but just an outlier review that would easily get corrected if you handle yourself with grace instead of trying to look like a victim.
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Post by drivert on Aug 16, 2019 23:37:47 GMT -5
Coruler you read the reviewer thread you could have stepped in anytime. He asked that if public opinion was in favor of a course this tough he would change his mind. Sorry I am the last guy to get any drama going but this pissed me off to no end. The subject line is not meant to be a condemnation but a method to generate the opinions he was looking for.
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ssa1950
Weekend Golfer
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TGCT Name: CC - Pro
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Post by ssa1950 on Aug 16, 2019 23:46:55 GMT -5
If this reviewer rejected this course it makes me wonder how many other worthy courses were rejected.
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Post by coruler2 on Aug 17, 2019 0:57:29 GMT -5
Coruler you read the reviewer thread you could have stepped in anytime. He asked that if public opinion was in favor of a course this tough he would change his mind. Sorry I am the last guy to get any drama going but this pissed me off to no end. The subject line is not meant to be a condemnation but a method to generate the opinions he was looking for. Actually I didn't read the reviewer thread until now. When I saw the word challenged in your original post...I read that as 'threatened' and not as 'encouraged' as the context of the conversation actually went. Courses should not be rejected based on difficulty or one's assessment of fun, but by the technical execution and polish of the course (the guidelines in place). But there can be some subjectivity in how the reviewers understand the guidelines, and Ben like the rest of us are out to make sure these high quality courses are being accepted into the database, but sometimes personal judgement will tip the course on one side the approval line vs. the other. Typically anything that's borderline to be approved is approved, or gets another reviewer to check first, or the reviewer will post the notes marking the few minor things to tweak to get accepted. Ben is a fine reviewer and I'm glad this has been resolved. And I don't believe there's too many gems over the years that have falsely been rejected.
I would still recommend a private message to the Head reviewer first instead of going public for cases like these in the future. Thanks!
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 17, 2019 13:31:26 GMT -5
I played your course some minute ago. I hope you can accept some feedback..is just my humble opinion as a player. Nothing more, nothing less. As a premise, I wish to tell you immediately that I think you're right in you disagreement seeing your course rejected. Your course has nothing unfair. And for the little I can see and understand, even graphically is a great work. Even stunning, about some hole. So said, I have the feeling to have played almost two different courses. I don't know exactly how to translate in words this feeling, I'll try. I beg you to not be offended if something I'll say is not what you expects, but trust me please, if I say is not my intention to be offensive at all. I'll try only to be honest about what I saw. Well..the first nine holes are simply a series of holes that are showing every kind of possible abused cliché generally used (and, it seems, appreciated) to create a tough course. Very long par 4s with (often crooked) fairways max 6-10 meters wide with bunkers everywhere..par 5 not reachable in two shots, two par 3s around 200 yards severely uphill with a bunker exactly in front and obviously the pin placed 4 meters into the green to need just a lucky bounce to end anywhere around 6-7 meters from the pin..stuff like this, I mean. Is unfair? Absolutely not. Is funny? A matter of tastes, I suppose. Me, for absurd, I find this kind of courses mainly and particularly boring. Not for the course itself. Is the idea to face always the same kind of challenge that after a while is boring. A little how is boring to play always super firm&fast conditions and on high wind. Variety is what makes a course and a challenge really enjoyable. But is also true that is exactly THIS, what people seems to desire when we are looking for a major flavored course. So there's doubly no reason to complain about your work. Is just a tough course built for a major or a tough tourney. So said, your second nines are a completely different story. There is variety. And are seriously funny to play. The two par 3s are not so long but still requires a lot of study and a well executed shot, even with a bastard pin. The two short par 4 idem. The mix between the "two nine holes" make your course in every case a great work. So..your course has nothing wrong, at least for me. Absolutely. Then we could start a debate about how it should be an "hard" and funny course...but these are tastes and opinions...and there is no reason to talk about this here. Thank you for your work, in every case. I appreciated as always
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Post by moneyman273 on Aug 17, 2019 23:16:10 GMT -5
Played from the tips, pin #1 alt shot with rhino4life, HunterofVeritas and Koop. No major concerns but it was noted that many of the pin placements were at the front of the green, so more variety could've been added there. Great course drivert and it was well worth the play.
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Post by rhino4life on Aug 17, 2019 23:19:56 GMT -5
Played...didnt see a reason for rejection.
I agree with the above but all thing considered it was a challenging and well done course Todd. Those last several holes along the coast had some nice views.
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uhohnene
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TGCT Name: Mike Huggins
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Post by uhohnene on Aug 20, 2019 16:39:56 GMT -5
Shot over par in both my rounds. Would be delighted to play this as a Euro event. Nothing unfair about the course, just freaking hard.
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