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Post by ABU_Bear on Aug 16, 2019 15:18:17 GMT -5
You play master clubs because pro club are freakishly boring Typical response from a Master club user, not everyone finds Pro clubs boring or enjoy the challenge of Master clubs especially on Xbox and PC. I actually like the challenge Pro Clubs give me when I play from the tips. You know you're gonna lack distance so you really have to play each shot strategically to score well. It actually hones your course management on longer courses
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 16, 2019 15:52:57 GMT -5
Typical response from a Master club user, not everyone finds Pro clubs boring or enjoy the challenge of Master clubs especially on Xbox and PC. I actually like the challenge Pro Clubs give me when I play from the tips. You know you're gonna lack distance so you really have to play each shot strategically to score well. It actually hones your course management on longer courses Agreed. Playing from the tips, if the course is long enough, you have to deal with long distances AND the exaggerated roll of the ball with middle/long irons. Especially when you play long par 4s or medium par 3s, possibly with the pin near the start of the green, there is some challenge. Nothing impossible, but not so boring. Is not about robot golfing. Never. No counting the awful reliability of pro clubs on flop shots and, generally speaking, actually all the short game. Or the effect of the lie on the ball direction, that with wedges actually seems to be always totally random. Obviously, the REAL challenge is about master clubs. No doubts on it. But all this just to say that, at least playing from the tips, is not so automatic to score or play well with pro clubs. You need in any case some skill, luckily.
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Post by lessangster on Aug 16, 2019 15:59:38 GMT -5
I’m quite willing to play master clubs in an Xbox society but not in a cross platform competition where we are starting with a disadvantage.
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 16, 2019 16:31:03 GMT -5
Lets just remember that statistically PS4s are only a SLIGHT advantage. Yes - it's an advantage but very small.
Also - yes - playing from the tips with PRO clubs is harder but remember also pro clubs give you straight shots so course management is more important but getting into a sand trap with a plugged ball is not that big of a deal.
It's just a different game between master and Pro. If you like Pro that is great - I LOVED Pro clubs, won two events with pros but the challenge was gone - FOR ME. Hitting every fairway 100% of the time got routine. I like needing to learn Punch shots and plugged ball issues. Playing with Master clubs is like a new game.
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Post by titaneddie on Aug 16, 2019 16:34:25 GMT -5
Lets just remember that statistically PS4s are only a SLIGHT advantage. Yes - it's an advantage but very small. Statistically its not slight at all. Its shows a fairly significant advantage.
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Post by cephyn on Aug 16, 2019 16:49:59 GMT -5
Lets just remember that statistically PS4s are only a SLIGHT advantage. Yes - it's an advantage but very small. Also - yes - playing from the tips with PRO clubs is harder but remember also pro clubs give you straight shots so course management is more important but getting into a sand trap with a plugged ball is not that big of a deal. It's just a different game between master and Pro. If you like Pro that is great - I LOVED Pro clubs, won two events with pros but the challenge was gone - FOR ME. Hitting every fairway 100% of the time got routine. I like needing to learn Punch shots and plugged ball issues. Playing with Master clubs is like a new game. ...not at all small. a very significant advantage.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 16, 2019 16:58:51 GMT -5
Lets just remember that statistically PS4s are only a SLIGHT advantage. Yes - it's an advantage but very small. Statistically its not slight at all. Its shows a fairly significant advantage. Even "fairly significant" don't gives the full idea of the situation. As I already said, I play this game with a ps4 controller on PC. I'm quite satisfied, after all. But when, some month ago, I had the chance to try the game on the ps4 of my little bro, what I saw is that the difficulty to have straight line and correct tempo on a ps4 with master clubs is actually the same that I have on PC using pro clubs. And using the same kind of controller! I understand that who plays the game only on a ps4 can even don't believe it. The only thing I can say to them..try it. Then they'll see if I'm bluffing or joking or exaggerating. Honestly before to try, I was really doubtful that the difference could ever be so huge..but it is. And, after all, the data shows it pretty clearly : Ps4 players plays another game, when we talk about master clubs. Is not anyone fault, of course. But is a fact. Not an opinion.
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Post by cephyn on Aug 16, 2019 17:11:43 GMT -5
Statistically its not slight at all. Its shows a fairly significant advantage. Even "fairly significant" don't gives the full idea of the situation. As I already said, I play this game with a ps4 controller on PC. I'm quite satisfied, after all. But when, some month ago, I had the chance to try the game on the ps4 of my little bro, what I saw is that the difficulty to have straight line and correct tempo on a ps4 with master clubs is actually the same that I have on PC using pro clubs. And using the same kind of controller! I understand that who plays the game only on a ps4 can even don't believe it. The only thing I can say to them..try it. Then they'll see if I'm bluffing or joking or exaggerating. Honestly before to try, I was really doubtful that the difference could ever be so huge..but it is. And, after all, the data shows it pretty clearly : Ps4 players plays another game, when we talk about master clubs. Is not anyone fault, of course. But is a fact. Not an opinion. Yeah its not the controller. It's the hardware itself - using a PS4 controller on PC doesn't give the advantage that PS4 players have.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 16, 2019 17:22:56 GMT -5
Even "fairly significant" don't gives the full idea of the situation. As I already said, I play this game with a ps4 controller on PC. I'm quite satisfied, after all. But when, some month ago, I had the chance to try the game on the ps4 of my little bro, what I saw is that the difficulty to have straight line and correct tempo on a ps4 with master clubs is actually the same that I have on PC using pro clubs. And using the same kind of controller! I understand that who plays the game only on a ps4 can even don't believe it. The only thing I can say to them..try it. Then they'll see if I'm bluffing or joking or exaggerating. Honestly before to try, I was really doubtful that the difference could ever be so huge..but it is. And, after all, the data shows it pretty clearly : Ps4 players plays another game, when we talk about master clubs. Is not anyone fault, of course. But is a fact. Not an opinion. Yeah its not the controller. It's the hardware itself - using a PS4 controller on PC doesn't give the advantage that PS4 players have. Yes..this has been the bigger surprise for me, after that "test". But, in the same time, I have not the counterproof cause I have not a Xbox controller, but I suspect that for me, for example, to play on PC is way easier that for a guy who plays on PC but with the Xbox controller. But..is just a supposition, I know it. What I can say is simply that, honestly, the game for me even with master clubs is playable without too great issues. Sometime some very slow on my downswing absolutely invented by the game..but the tempo is not something impossible to deal with. I think that about these issues, the 75-80% is fault of the systems, 20-25% is the controller..probably the Xbox controller is a bit hypersensitive, compared to the ps4.
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Post by mart280 on Aug 17, 2019 6:23:49 GMT -5
I play Pro clubs on PC with a mouse and it's still quite a challenge to score well, I still get a mixture of fast and slow swings per round with the odd Vfast and Vslow thrown in, I have no idea what it's like playing Pro clubs with a controller as I dont own one and I cant even contemplate playing sim golf without using a mouse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 6:27:58 GMT -5
I play Pro clubs on PC with a mouse and it's still quite a challenge to score well, I still get a mixture of fast and slow swings per round with the odd Vfast and Vslow thrown in, I have no idea what it's like playing Pro clubs with a controller as I dont own one and I cant even contemplate playing sim golf without using a mouse. I applaud you for playing with a mouse! It must be really difficult at times. I too play on PC and have used all club sets with the Beginner set being my favourite. I still get bad tempo on those surprisingly and they aren't auto Perfect/Perfect and auto straight like some people say, at least for me anyway. I have definitely played Pro Clubs with a controller and with the way i sit and hold the controller i tend to push or pull it and can never really get a straight line. Tempo can get bad too but there are certainly more Perfect/Perfect's than i get on Masters which are a nightmare for me.
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Post by wellsa27 on Aug 17, 2019 16:58:20 GMT -5
Master clubs are the only club set that people should aim to use once learnt through the ranks. I'm sorry, but using clubs like beginner and pros are just too easy, no skill in them what so all. I know many like them, and many are happy but what's your reason? Shooting high scores? Winning rounds? I'm sure there's others.
I'm sure a lot will disagree, but the masters are far more rewarding. This is coming from an xbox user that also hates them because the tempo issues. It's the club I'll stick with.
When I shoot like -11, I feel I've learnt that. In other sets that is a given, you SHOULD be shooting low.
My issue is the fairness across the systems, it's not fair so that's my only gripe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 16:59:42 GMT -5
I don't agree whatsoever with the first sentence.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 17, 2019 17:35:34 GMT -5
I play Pro clubs on PC with a mouse and it's still quite a challenge to score well, I still get a mixture of fast and slow swings per round with the odd Vfast and Vslow thrown in, I have no idea what it's like playing Pro clubs with a controller as I dont own one and I cant even contemplate playing sim golf without using a mouse. I think that who plays this game with a mouse should be an hero. Or a mad I'm kidding, obviously. But I was smiling for your last quote, cause for me is the exact opposite. I could never imagine to play a golf game with a mouse. I could go crazy. This is the reason why I like so much the idea behind this tour. And cause I'm so sad thinking about the idea to lose this fantastic chance to play all together, all in a different way, with different devices. Are the differences, that makes the world a great place.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 17, 2019 17:47:44 GMT -5
Master clubs are the only club set that people should aim to use once learnt through the ranks. I'm sorry, but using clubs like beginner and pros are just too easy, no skill in them what so all. I know many like them, and many are happy but what's your reason? Shooting high scores? Winning rounds? I'm sure there's others. I'm sure a lot will disagree, but the masters are far more rewarding. This is coming from an xbox user that also hates them because the tempo issues. It's the club I'll stick with. When I shoot like -11, I feel I've learnt that. In other sets that is a given, you SHOULD be shooting low. My issue is the fairness across the systems, it's not fair so that's my only gripe. I agree almost totally with you. I think that is ok to use pro clubs in cc. But on pro tours should be sad. The real challenge is to deal with master clubs. I think all we agree, more or less, on this point. And we could talk hours about the best thing to do to solve the problems we have now... but sadly, the survey, the polls, all the things wise or stupid said until now by anyone who wish just to see all solved, are showing quite clearly how much this debate is just a dog who bites his tail. If we push for the best challenge for the next season, we lose fairness. If we push for fairness, we lose the best challenge. And every solution proposed in the middle, should be worst than the initial problem. All good for an headache. But is a good moment for a beer Salud!
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