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Post by csugolfer60 on Aug 11, 2019 17:00:39 GMT -5
I think it's important to note here that the correlation/causation is probably reversed.
Certain architects have a higher percentage of courses on tours because the courses they design are better fits for TGC competitive golf.
The courses are picked not because of the designers' name. The courses are picked because they are good fits for the tour, and that designer continues to design courses that fit the purpose, so they will have more courses on tour if you look at it from an outside view.
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Post by coruler2 on Aug 11, 2019 22:01:48 GMT -5
As one of the schedulers I’d say you know more what to expect from some of the top designers, and the level of scrutiny they put into the gameplay and enjoyment. I will also say I scout the TGC Completed courses thread, and don’t use the database too often (although I still review it every month or so to see what’s new). I dont play any preferences when scheduling, so if a rookie designer puts out a gem and fits the style of course I’m looking for to match the IRL event or theme, I’ll test it and then send to the Rangers. I also play in a few societies and have reused some more obscure courses from there as well. Overall I enjoy variety of design and designers, and if the course is polished, it will have a decent chance of making the tour
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Post by DoubtfulObelisk on Aug 12, 2019 0:24:41 GMT -5
Name one course selected that was selected for the sole reason that a particular designer built it. You're asserting without providing any evidence. CC Pro last week for example. I am hardly a designer with that kind of name recognition and/or cachet. Doubtful Island was only my third different course to host a tour event. I caught lightning in a bottle with Doubtful Dunes and was quite fortunate for it to host three different events. Aside from that, though, I haven't really published anything of note. As far as I'm aware, last week's course was put on the schedule because Daniel and Patrick wanted to challenge you all with a high-level test of course management. A lot of people didn't like it, but that's alright -- I understand it can be a divisive course. I make what I want to create and then submit the course to the database in case any of the schedulers like it enough to use it. It's always an honor to be selected for a tour event, but you're setting yourself up for frustration if that's the sole reason you design.
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Aug 12, 2019 1:15:24 GMT -5
Looking through the CC-Pro schedule for this season there's been a lot of courses from new designers featured on it. For example Tantallon Castle was a first design as was Maka Sichu, Muir Woods, Bear Tracks and Emerald Hills. So I don't think there's any favouritism but going with a more experienced designer can be a safe option to please the players. Designers will start to get to know each other more by asking questions and commenting on each others and through design contests. You'll find the designer community can be quite close knit if designers go out and make an effort to interact with each other.
But then there's guys like Yeltzman who is hardly on the forums here but is known to knock out a good course get a couple of tour spots.
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Post by aron7 on Aug 12, 2019 3:45:44 GMT -5
I have only been designing in this game since last October and have 3 courses out with which 2 have been on tour! I shouldn't think many people know who I am in the designer or the courses I designed so I'm not sure it's always about who designed them
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Aug 12, 2019 4:04:15 GMT -5
I have only been designing in this game since last October and have 3 courses out with which 2 have been on tour! I shouldn't think many people know who I am in the designer or the courses I designed so I'm not sure it's always about who designed them I don't know about others but I remember when your Isle of Ely course came out as it was getting some good reviews. But I suppose it depends on how much people pay attention to the Completed Courses folder, and watch WGO, TGC Course Reviews and Twitch streams. It seems to me it's the designers and a few others that will know who has designed a course. A lot of people will play their rounds post in their flight's thread and check out a couple of other folders.
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Post by aron7 on Aug 12, 2019 5:23:13 GMT -5
I have only been designing in this game since last October and have 3 courses out with which 2 have been on tour! I shouldn't think many people know who I am in the designer or the courses I designed so I'm not sure it's always about who designed them I don't know about others but I remember when your Isle of Ely course came out as it was getting some good reviews. But I suppose it depends on how much people pay attention to the Completed Courses folder, and watch WGO, TGC Course Reviews and Twitch streams. It seems to me it's the designers and a few others that will know who has designed a course. A lot of people will play their rounds post in their flight's thread and check out a couple of other folders. That's exactly what I mean....i thought my Shires of Cambridge was my best to date but you know my one before only. I'm not that well known but can still get on tour so it is possible. I just post in completed courses forum and they must be seen and tried. I think if you want your course played you have got to promote it in forums and not just publish it alone
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Aug 12, 2019 5:56:19 GMT -5
I don't know about others but I remember when your Isle of Ely course came out as it was getting some good reviews. But I suppose it depends on how much people pay attention to the Completed Courses folder, and watch WGO, TGC Course Reviews and Twitch streams. It seems to me it's the designers and a few others that will know who has designed a course. A lot of people will play their rounds post in their flight's thread and check out a couple of other folders. That's exactly what I mean....i thought my Shires of Cambridge was my best to date but you know my one before only. I'm not that well known but can still get on tour so it is possible. I just post in completed courses forum and they must be seen and tried. I think if you want your course played you have got to promote it in forums and not just publish it alone I remember you doing Shires of Cambridge as I thought I'd keep an eye out for your courses after Isle of Ely. Shires is a good course as well, we played the other week in CC-Pro. I've still not played a lot of the courses by better known designers and would struggle to name a few courses by one designer. But as you said you just post up in the Completed Courses and someone has spotted your courses tried them out and gave them a spot on the tour. Promoting your course keeps it in the spotlight but at the end of the day if the course is good enough it should get picked up.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Aug 13, 2019 18:09:32 GMT -5
Some courses get picked for tour play based solely on who designed them...let's not kid ourselves Name one course selected that was selected for the sole reason that a particular designer built it. You're asserting without providing any evidence. OK..humour me...let's say I design a course, having NEVER submitted a course for Tour or to TCG Tours database...and Arctic Fury designs a course. Both are good courses..worthy of being on tour...who get's the nod? Funny how 2 course Rangers liked my original post
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Post by ErixonStone on Aug 13, 2019 19:43:32 GMT -5
OK..humour me...let's say I design a course, having NEVER submitted a course for Tour or to TCG Tours database...and Arctic Fury designs a course. Both are good courses..worthy of being on tour...who get's the nod? Funny how 2 course Rangers liked my original post Courses are not scheduled that way with the possible exception of certain events that demand a particular type of course (e.g. a steppe/desert course for an event like the "Stormin' Norman Desert Challenge"). Generally, courses are played, and if they're good, we'll find a spot for it. So most likely, if your course is up to the standard we expect from Adam, it'll be on Tour. We don't generally pit one course against the other. Also, the ranking in quality does not determine a pecking order. As long as a course is good enough, then it's under consideration. Sometimes a really good course doesn't fit for a particular tour. There were several courses we initially looked at, but determined that the course shouldn't be placed on the CC Tour - even from some of the most accomplished designers (and yes, the list of rejected courses includes some from Adam's portfolio). Look through the season 5 schedule for CC. See if you know the can match the names to the designers' forum tags. I did the scheduling, and I had a hard time remembering every one of them. See how many of them are appearing on Tour for the first time - names like Rausch, O'Dell, Hamilton, Bailey, Lundh, Santapaula, Condon, Srouji, Trayys, and more.
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Post by catcherman22 on Aug 13, 2019 19:57:51 GMT -5
Hell.. in all honestly.. if you had a course of equalness to an Artic Fury and I could ONLY pick one... I'd give you the nod and not Fury... CC schedule should show that... we don't play favorites.
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Post by hmammoth on Aug 13, 2019 20:17:34 GMT -5
In the three years I have been scheduling the web, I have never used a Artic Fury course, I love his courses, they are of such a high standard but never had one that suited me at the right time. On the other hand, this season alone, I think it was ten designers that got their first tour course on the web, and another bunch of designers who’s courses appeared on tour for just the second time. I know this is also the same for the other schedulers. We never had so many new and newer designers on tour, every course gets a chance and this chance will include more established designers. There is no friends list, no special privileges, courses get on tour because they deserve to be there, no matter the designer.
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Post by catcherman22 on Aug 13, 2019 20:31:57 GMT -5
and to add to that... sometimes good courses don't make it on tour because there isn't a fit... St. Bedes was the perfect example of that
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Post by lessthanbread on Aug 13, 2019 20:40:29 GMT -5
I believe there’s actually more pressure on the well known designers to produce perfect gems every time. Now, normally they deliver, but if Adam or Andre or whoever top designer ever missed the mark just by a little bit, people would notice and it would be a disappointment.
For example, my first publish was really well received on the forums and has a huge amount of plays. But there are a lot of rookie mistakes on it that I think would have been caught immediately and criticized had a well known designer made them.
They are expected to design at the highest level and they do because they are talented and experienced. That’s why their courses get on tour often, because they are the best and their courses are just plain better than most. And as time goes on, others will join them. As a newer designer, you pay your dues, put in the work, and focus on building a quality course profile
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 14, 2019 11:57:22 GMT -5
Need to do things like this...
Play Stony Point GC
My CC contest course didn't make the cut, but I did recently publish a V2.0 version based on the feedback I had received.
I thought it was good for a CC event, but just not the best in terms of the contest, but still very playable and fun in my obviously biased opinion. LOL
Only my 2nd official publish (3rd with the v2.0)
Play it in its original form or the V2.0..
Original topped out at 168 plays..
Feedback welcomed..
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