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Post by Dave on Aug 2, 2019 12:01:44 GMT -5
Better still, anything short of a full line results in a no swing? Dave, I'm a bit confused by your question. I certainly wish anything short of a full line resulted in a no swing, but nothing TGCT can do about that. My half-baked suggestion was for TGCT to implement the Pro club rule for the shorties. No I know that, it would need HB to intervene... oh wait, yeah I see the problem 😂
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Post by paulus on Aug 2, 2019 12:21:34 GMT -5
Making everyone play Pro Clubs = Death of TGCT Splitting TGCT into 3 separate platforms = Death of TGCT Not saying I agree/disagree with any changes - still squarely on the fence on the Pro clubs debate - and would definitely not want to lose cross platform competition. But it's worth keeping in mind the death of TGCT has been wrongly predicted by many people, many times over the last 5 years, as changes they didn't personally like were implemented. OK, a good proportion of those times it was Wags foretelling burning flames & desolation, but the point stands
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 13:01:31 GMT -5
Disclaimer: rob4590 , you know you're my guy, don't get mad...
So...I think next week is one where setup could get away from us pretty easily. There's a lot of manufactured difficulty built into that course, I hope the setup gods realize that and don't try to ramp it up far past what it is on default....but we shall see. Don't expect any lack of comments in next week's thread
Weather report gives one round each of High / medium / low / default winds next week - so shouldn't be toooooooo difficult......honest!
And course conditions can't be bumped up anyway - default greens are VF/VF - the forecast gives Default / Moderate as the two options for both firmness and speed.
Brighttail - there should only be 3 holes where hitting the fairway is difficult - 4/7/9 (7 being the toughest) But even if you miss the fairway at 7, you can still get it to the green from 250 out with a 65-70% tough lie due to the downslope
But yes - I do expect some 'unfavourable' comments come Sunday.......but then it's the same for everyone, and making the cut will definitely not need you to shoot double figures under each round! (I'd expect level par to have a good shout at making the cut)
I just played a practice round, shot +9 and thoroughly enjoyed it. Quite a few of my dropped shots were from testing to see if I could clear water or misreading phantom putts. As for some of those narrow fairways I took one of the alternative ones, so I'm sure most of the top players will be doing that. Didn't have a single fast or slow downswing on drives or approaches, guessing that won't be the case Sunday though.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 2, 2019 13:28:25 GMT -5
I just played a practice round, shot +9 and thoroughly enjoyed it. Quite a few of my dropped shots were from testing to see if I could clear water or misreading phantom putts. As for some of those narrow fairways I took one of the alternative ones, so I'm sure most of the top players will be doing that. Didn't have a single fast or slow downswing on drives or approaches, guessing that won't be the case Sunday though. I think this will be one of the tournies I use ghost balls. I'll be following Smoothee or someone to help figure this out. I see what you are saying about alternate fairways and agree that I would rather have 230 going into a green from another fairway than 187 in the heavy rough. I have played #7 where I put the ball in the fairway on both the actual fairway and the fairway to the left and proceeded to take 6 or 7 approach shots in to see if I could hold the green, by just redropping the ball. Never got anywhere close. Even hitting the front of the green and thinking it would roll to the center, nope...to the center then a hard left turn and off. Hit the ball to land dead center of the green, the ball literally hit and bounced sideways at almost 90 degrees. Yup going to be an interesting week.
The first par 5 is one of those that if you get in to the fair way, you got a hook lie with a right to left wind and a green that it cut so closely that if you hit the center of the green it will roll into the water. I get the risk reward aspect but I'm not sure if there is much benefit of laying back to play a full 3rd shot in because the hole is cut where anything long rolls off and anything short rolls back. You have like a 2 box landing area. Seems to be the best 2nd shot is hole high to the right of the green where you can chip/flop it up without fear of it rolling back or rolling off if you knock it a few feet past the hole. Not a great setup IMHO.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Aug 2, 2019 13:29:02 GMT -5
"I may win this week, I may win next week, I may win the @!$#ing tour championship, I may win the @!$#ing [inaudible]..."
"Zimzim can suck my c***, number hundred-and-fourty-f****ng-three in the world, who the @!$# is he? He's @!$#ing nothing, I don't give a sh%$ if he wins this week, that means nothing to me, @!$#ing smokey zimzim, 143 in the world, he's nothing, nothing."
...a short time later...
"@!$#ing hate big headed ego mother @!$#ing wankers, man. I'm not here to be a big headed ego guy, I don't give a @!$#. I hate guys who come in and [say] 'I'm this, I'm that, [inaudible], I'm @!$#ing better than you.' When? When are you better than me, @!$# off you @!$#ing [inaudible], @!$#ing wanker, man, honestly."
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Post by rob4590 on Aug 2, 2019 14:18:53 GMT -5
I think this will be one of the tournies I use ghost balls. I'll be following Smoothee or someone to help figure this out. I see what you are saying about alternate fairways and agree that I would rather have 230 going into a green from another fairway than 187 in the heavy rough. I have played #7 where I put the ball in the fairway on both the actual fairway and the fairway to the left and proceeded to take 6 or 7 approach shots in to see if I could hold the green, by just redropping the ball. Never got anywhere close. Even hitting the front of the green and thinking it would roll to the center, nope...to the center then a hard left turn and off. Hit the ball to land dead center of the green, the ball literally hit and bounced sideways at almost 90 degrees. Yup going to be an interesting week.
The first par 5 is one of those that if you get in to the fair way, you got a hook lie with a right to left wind and a green that it cut so closely that if you hit the center of the green it will roll into the water. I get the risk reward aspect but I'm not sure if there is much benefit of laying back to play a full 3rd shot in because the hole is cut where anything long rolls off and anything short rolls back. You have like a 2 box landing area. Seems to be the best 2nd shot is hole high to the right of the green where you can chip/flop it up without fear of it rolling back or rolling off if you knock it a few feet past the hole. Not a great setup IMHO.
7th hole - if you are bouncing your approach left - then you aren't hitting it on the right line. If you are landing your approach actually on the green (except for the far right pin) - then you aren't aiming for the correct landing length........links golf includes a ground game - use it! (especially on that hole)
The shot shaper (and course management in general) will also be your friend this coming week on several holes........as will be the ability to miss greens in a good spot, rather than the impossible spot (of which there are several) Need to get your head round the fact that you can't just expect to hit 17/18 GIR each round for once.....
There are potentially 7/8 holes (excluding par 3s) where driver isn't the optimal play (wind dependent)......and a similar number of holes where par really IS a good score (for us medium players )
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 2, 2019 15:41:08 GMT -5
7th hole - if you are bouncing your approach left - then you aren't hitting it on the right line. If you are landing your approach actually on the green (except for the far right pin) - then you aren't aiming for the correct landing length........links golf includes a ground game - use it! (especially on that hole)
The shot shaper (and course management in general) will also be your friend this coming week on several holes........as will be the ability to miss greens in a good spot, rather than the impossible spot (of which there are several) Need to get your head round the fact that you can't just expect to hit 17/18 GIR each round for once.....
There are potentially 7/8 holes (excluding par 3s) where driver isn't the optimal play (wind dependent)......and a similar number of holes where par really IS a good score (for us medium players )
One of the reasons I personally don't like links courses. Too often the 'right' shot is to land before the green and have it bounce 3-4 times and roll onto the green, just to get the ball to stay on the green, forget about 'getting close'. For me links courses tend to bring a lot of 'luck' into the equation because of the uneven parts of the fairway before the green which can send your ball quite literally bouncing any which way in a 160 degree arc. I tend to struggle on courses where I feel I hit an amazing shot and because of an unlucky bounce I end up 30 yards off the green in some collection area rather than on the green. You would respond, "Well it wasn't an amazing shot" to which you might be right. Still I prefer shots to rely more on skill and shaping than the random number generator when the ball strikes a bump on the fairway. Links golf is an acquired taste I never got around to acquire. For us medium players, the game is already tough enough. Add in the frustration of the luck factor in links golf, it quickly becomes maddening.
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Post by paulus on Aug 2, 2019 17:49:53 GMT -5
This medium player loves links golf. You manage the uncertainty, like poker.
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Post by Todd on Aug 2, 2019 20:08:48 GMT -5
-13 in R3 to sit -34 after three rounds. Todd you are my new rival!! -9 with a more erratic swing than the previous rounds to end up -43.
Fresh rivalry tally once we start the next season, Todd?? Yes please! We can start next week if you'd like 😁
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Post by Todd on Aug 2, 2019 20:09:44 GMT -5
I'll give you a hint, you end up kicking my arse this week 😁 Oh, and I'll take that rivalry.😎 I’ll give you some 3 way action for next week. We’re all there or there about’s. -33 through 3 with 1 to play this week. Minor victory & something to aim for next week... Bring forth the Blackheart...! I'm your Huckleberry 😋
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 23:36:06 GMT -5
-9 with a more erratic swing than the previous rounds to end up -43.
Fresh rivalry tally once we start the next season, Todd ?? Yes please! We can start next week if you'd like 😁 Sure thing. Fed Ex Playoffs and all, too!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 1:39:27 GMT -5
-13 in R3 to sit -34 after three rounds. Todd you are my new rival!! No love for me? We ended up at the same score with the same number of putts. Consider yourself a rival!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 2:44:17 GMT -5
I’ll give you some 3 way action for next week. We’re all there or there about’s. -33 through 3 with 1 to play this week. Minor victory & something to aim for next week... Bring forth the Blackheart...! I'm your Huckleberry 😋 Then I'll be the Hucklebearer...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 6:52:20 GMT -5
Played my last rd this morning, then scores get pulled. Have a standard controller, I get 3/5 short swings in a rd by accident, but full swing mostly. Had a couple of wild shots with a back to front 3. My shots are good, but not bang on. I play the game fair & nowhere near straight. There is no other way to play it, so think I'm gone. Can't play with that cloud over my head. I won last week & that's tainted, so why bother. I'd rather not make the cut or play. I think I'm done...
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Post by paulus on Aug 3, 2019 7:17:32 GMT -5
Played my last rd this morning, then scores get pulled. Have a standard controller, I get 3/5 short swings in a rd by accident, but full swing mostly. Had a couple of wild shots with a back to front 3. My shots are good, but not bang on. I play the game fair & nowhere near straight. There is no other way to play it, so think I'm gone. Can't play with that cloud over my head. I won last week & that's tainted, so why bother. I'd rather not make the cut or play. I think I'm done... It may have been your round 3. API checks get run on round 2 completion and round 4 completion, IIRC. As an API failer once myself a few years ago - yes it stings. A lot. But you just need to get your head round the fact that atm you have an artificial advantage over the rest of the field - sort your equipment / technique - and play as the rest of us do 👍
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