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Post by ErixonStone on Jul 23, 2019 18:42:01 GMT -5
I was not aware; I avoid PGA threads because I am not a PGA player and I don't do the PGA schedule.
What was the green speed used in that round? 187?
I should point out that when I say a claim is "baseless," I mean that there isn't anything to back up that claim. It does not mean that I think you're wrong; it means I cannot test it.
I am of the opinion that changing the green speeds up to certain extent is not likely to have a severe impact. I also hold the opinion that major changes might have undesirable effects. This season, on CC, we've avoided major changes - especially increases to green speeds - for that reason.
So, it's not that I necessarily disagree with you, but I want to find that threshold. Getting as many examples as possible would be helpful.
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Post by rob4590 on Jul 24, 2019 2:18:04 GMT -5
Yes the speed in the round (pin 4 at Deere Run) was 187 - the ball wouldn't stay within 40ft of the hole.
Same happened this week in TST - TPC Southwind - pin 4, hole 18, 187 greens - ball wouldn't stay on the green.
Both times this is by chipping or putting up from BELOW the hole, to within a couple of inches - and it rolls back.
Yes - both are HB official crap - but also happens on user made courses - see the PGA WGC thread this week - Justin's screenshots of one pin. (No idea what green speed it was, and no idea what the default green speed was - you'd have to ask Brian (the designer) to supply that info)
It won't generally be on CC courses though - because you are aiming at a different target audience Patrick - you know perfectly well that there are regular comments in rangering of 'that pin(s) is borderline - but the PGA boys can handle it' for PGA courses, but if it was for CC, the same situation would result in 'that pin needs tweaking, or speeds lowering'
So Fadge's comment isn't really aimed at you anyway......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 3:22:11 GMT -5
Same happened this week in TST - TPC Southwind - pin 4, hole 18, 187 greens - ball wouldn't stay on the green. Both times this is by chipping or putting up from BELOW the hole, to within a couple of inches - and it rolls back. Round 4, hole 18. the pin was dicey but doable. I had a downhill 9ft putt and left the putt 2 feet beyond the flag. But yeah - it was a very difficult pin. Borderline. But the ball could stop near the hole.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 3:28:53 GMT -5
Long story short. Designers should put their pins in on the fastest 187 greens.
Then there will be no dodgy pins in any settings and everybody is happy.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jul 24, 2019 3:40:40 GMT -5
Long story short. Designers should put their pins in on the fastest 187 greens. Then there will be no dodgy pins in any settings and everybody is happy. But then they can’t make the slopes play the way that they intend... creativity is stifled, and an interesting greens complex then becomes one where balls stick on slopes instead of rewarding brave and creative lines by releasing as intended... when the greens are slowed right down. It’d be an interesting experiment, at least. There’s no right or wrong, I can only give insight on my findings during this season on PGA.
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