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Post by grinder12000 on Jun 5, 2019 13:05:00 GMT -5
If there is a high chance you may not end up in a good spot then bloody lay up/play safe. How hard can that thinking be? There is never a high chance of not ending in a good spot unless you hit the ball badly. and I doubt many people plan on hitting the ball badly. Has ANYBODY ever planned to end up more then 100 feet from the pin? Saying poor course management because you ended up 100+ from the pin on the green is just a stupid thing to say. it means you are a a enough golfer that miscalculate be 30+ yards? No - it means you the ball wrong, There is no "bad course management". LOL
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Post by grinder12000 on Jun 6, 2019 8:08:08 GMT -5
Yes there is bad course management but hitting the green should never ever be bad course management. At least IRL
you should never apologize and feel bad for hitting the green from any distance IRL on a normal golf course
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Post by cephyn on Jun 6, 2019 8:15:18 GMT -5
Yes there is bad course management but hitting the green should never ever be bad course management. At least IRL you should never apologize and feel bad for hitting the green from any distance IRL on a normal golf course I mean....that's just false.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Jun 6, 2019 8:32:01 GMT -5
Yes there is bad course management but hitting the green should never ever be bad course management. At least IRL you should never apologize and feel bad for hitting the green from any distance IRL on a normal golf course Serious?
Green management is the same as course management. If the green is a two-tiered green that is 150ft long, 3 foot elevation, pin on the top tier and for whatever reason you land it on the bottom tier 100 ft away from the pin, that is poor course management or a poorly executed shot. Either way it is your fault. That applies to the game and IRL golf.
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Post by grinder12000 on Jun 6, 2019 8:54:03 GMT -5
How do you know a green has a 3 foot elevation from 200 yards away IRL. Does a little number pop up on your GPS? Which one do you have as I want to get that one. IRL = In Real Life
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Post by grinder12000 on Jun 6, 2019 8:55:21 GMT -5
Yes there is bad course management but hitting the green should never ever be bad course management. At least IRL you should never apologize and feel bad for hitting the green from any distance IRL on a normal golf course I mean....that's just false. I guess you don't golf in real life on a course you have only played once or twice? Your eye sight must be MUCH better then mine. LOL
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Post by ErixonStone on Jun 6, 2019 9:33:30 GMT -5
If, instead of being on the green with a 35-ysrd putt, you ended up in a water hazard due to a bad shot, would you complain about the course?
No. You'd curse your bad shot or maybe blame the frame rate.
This is a case where the green is the hazard. Recognize it, take your medicine, and putt to the bottom of the slope if you don't think you can make it up to the top tier.
It's such an infrequent occurrence, it isn't worth worrying about.
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Post by jeffbdvs on Jun 6, 2019 10:31:46 GMT -5
putt to the bottom of the slope if you don't think you can make it up to the top tier. Yeah, like that would ever happen anywhere IRL. "Nick, it looks like Jason is going to putt backwards off the green so that he can chip back up to the hole. It's a bold move, and I don't recall ever seeing it done in a tournament before."
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Post by HeMan1202 on Jun 6, 2019 10:47:58 GMT -5
How do you know a green has a 3 foot elevation from 200 yards away IRL. Does a little number pop up on your GPS? Which one do you have as I want to get that one. IRL = In Real Life Thank you for telling us what IRL is, much appreciated. A pet peave of mine is weekend hackers (no offense, I just mean 18+ handicappers who enjoy golf but are generally not very good) coming on a video game golf forum and expertly explaining what golf is like IRL thinking they are schooling somebody. So thank you for schooling me on what golf is like IRL.
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Post by paulus on Jun 6, 2019 11:33:50 GMT -5
My favourite description of golf IRL came from a mate's first exeprience 20 years ago... "It's like trudging around a manicured shitfield with a 25kg backpack, throwing pound coins into the trees" ... he lost a lot of balls that day
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Post by lessthanbread on Jun 6, 2019 12:55:43 GMT -5
My favourite description of golf IRL came from a mate's first exeprience 20 years ago... "It's like trudging around a manicured shitfield with a 25kg backpack, throwing pound coins into the trees" ... he lost a lot of balls that day Mine is along the lines of “I hate this damn game! I’m never playing again! What a waste of money! ....so same time next week guys?”
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Post by wmr5277 on Jun 6, 2019 21:25:42 GMT -5
A non-discussed problem is...
The fact that we are flying blind outside of 40 feet. (Really 47ish feet since we can change to chip then back to putt to get 7 more feet or so of a look at the break)
The fact that the green grid doesn't show us the beads outside of 40 feet is a bit silly. Hopefully that changes in the future.
So we get a long putt. ...whether it be 70 feet, 100 feet, 130 feet or 160 foot putt and I have no idea where it's going for the 1st half of it. If I'm playing fast greens that are severely sloped I am boned.
With that being said I would be fine with any of the options on the poll...except I would be strongly against ever being allowed to flop a shot on the green...inside 100 feet
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Post by TheDominator273 on Jun 6, 2019 21:58:15 GMT -5
A non-discussed problem is... The fact that we are flying blind outside of 40 feet. (Really 47ish feet since we can change to chip then back to putt to get 7 more feet or so of a look at the break) The fact that the green grid doesn't show us the beads outside of 40 feet is a bit silly. Hopefully that changes in the future. So we get a long putt. ...whether it be 70 feet, 100 feet, 130 feet or 160 foot putt and I have no idea where it's going for the 1st half of it. If I'm playing fast greens that are severely sloped I am boned. With that being said I would be fine with any of the options on the poll...except I would be strongly against ever being allowed to flop a shot on the green...inside 100 feet Counterpoint, if it's severely sloped you can see that regardless of the beads, and if it's not just play the break for the part you can read as the putt will be moving too fast through the first half of the putt to take much break unless it's a severe slope but as I already said you can see that and play for it.
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Post by tenbobnote on Jun 6, 2019 22:14:26 GMT -5
I can't stop myself going for a green if it's at all possible, regardless of the putt I might leave myself- and I've left myself some mega ones. So far though, I can't remember ever leaving myself an unreachable (but under 100ft) putt since I started. If I ever did, then I guess I would work it out- either by putting to as close as possible, or if it's a putt that would come back to me, I would probably putt off the green then go from there. It's not a big deal- one penalty shot every god-knows-how-many-years is never gonna break my spirit, or stop me trying for the best buzz in the game- an eagle. (after aces and albatrosses of course). So what I'm saying is that for the amount of times the flaw is actually gonna be called into play, the current rule seems fine to me.
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Post by Brighttail on Jun 7, 2019 22:32:06 GMT -5
I've been on this rule from the beginning. I always felt that we try so hart to play just like the tour, with their rules, their format, the same tournaments, same FedEx points, same Ryder/Presidents Cup formats, same rules for invites to majors and even the same courses when we can. Sadly this was simply one issue where due to the mechanics of TGC 1 with chips being so ridiculously easy and the fact that a select few decided to abuse it, the rule was created. It has remained for the most part throughout the last 5+ years. As for pros never chipping it on the greens, I've seen Phil Michelson do it on one of the links courses during a major as he was a long way off, the reason? There had been weather, greens were slow and he felt it was the better shot.
I wish we could eliminate it and let players patrol themselves in a mature, fair and responsible way, but I'm not naive and I know that won't happen. There will always be someone who would abuse it and thus it would create more headaches for the Admin. As it stands the rule is pretty much self-reporting. When people have chipped/flopped from questionable lines, they usually take a picture or a video of it to let everyone know. Even when it has been obvious the rule has been violated and self-reported, I can't remember the last person who was actually disqualified from the event, so one might ask, why worry about it? It happens so infrequently and when it does: 1. There is a good chance no one will find out about it unless you are one of the elite players people follow or you win and 2. is it really enforced?
I voted to change it but I think it shouldn't be as the poll states but as Smoootheee said. It is simple. The game pretty much tells you if the putt with max power can reach the hole.
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