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Post by ijs1543 on Jun 4, 2019 8:01:27 GMT -5
Dont put yourself 100 feet away, i think you should have to putt everything on the green unless your line is blocked by the rough and if you cant reach the hole because you cant hit the putt hard enough then thats your fault and your course management should of been better
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Post by cephyn on Jun 4, 2019 8:05:09 GMT -5
The most common time this is a problem is when someone goes for the green in 2 on a par 5 and ends up 75 feet away, uphill, and then they want to complain about it.
No. You should have laid up on the approach. You put yourself in a bad spot.
The other cases where this is a problem are pretty rare - we don't often encounter very slow green speeds on tour. What's next, complaints about every par 5 HAS to be reachable in 2? Oh wait, we already get those complaints too. I'm not sympathetic.
100 feet, no calculations, no conditions. Simple and good.
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Post by joegolferg on Jun 4, 2019 8:41:09 GMT -5
Limit the size of greens so you can't have a putt over 100 feet, not as if its TGC1 with ice hockey rink greens that won't hold a 3w approach. This is a bad take!
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Post by joegolferg on Jun 4, 2019 8:41:46 GMT -5
As said previously, here’s my stance - putt if it’s inside 100ft, with the sole exception of a putt so far uphill that the default putting marker is maxed out for the given speed of the greens, meaning the game says a 100% putt power would not be sufficient. It's as simple as this.
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Post by jeffbdvs on Jun 4, 2019 11:36:48 GMT -5
TGCT allows ghost balls rolling all over the place, scout cameras, follow cameras, green grids, flop shots from bunkers and any number of other aids all designed to lower scores and make fourteen under par an average round. Why in the world would anyone object to chipping on greens from any distance?
I think I'll have a Diet Coke to go with my Wendy's triple cheesburger and chili-cheese fries
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jun 4, 2019 11:50:53 GMT -5
I wonder...if we removed the option of choosing 1 of the 2 extremes here - either putt everything, or don't have to putt anything if you don't want - what would people suggest instead? If 100ft, what's the reasoning for that, if anything other than the arbitrary distance rule set by the tours here? This is not to question the rule, because honestly I think everyone should have to putt everything that's possible to putt and get the ball to the hole (100+ft but downhill, and thus able to reach the hole by putting, e.g.). My only rationale for raising the question yesterday was in the rare circumstance when you are unable to reach the proper tier of the green from a distance inside 100ft due to the games limitation on putting power. Also, for those saying "don't leave it in that spot," I think allowing chipping ONLY in that circumstance wouldn't really create an outcome terribly different than that which would happen irl - probably some bump-and-run type chip that no one uses in this game, but something to at least get it far enough to reach the proper tier, much like a crazy long putt irl where you're only trying to get it on the right level.
I'm fine with leaving the rule as is, fwiw, but I do think there's at least a sliver of an opening to consider a provision for instances when the gameplay mechanic limits the power you can put on the ball, and thereby makes it impossible to get to the hole, leaving you with the ridiculous option of putting off the green just so you can get it up above some red slope.
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Post by gdog on Jun 4, 2019 12:02:09 GMT -5
I wonder...if we removed the option of choosing 1 of the 2 extremes here - either putt everything, or don't have to putt anything if you don't want - what would people suggest instead? If 100ft, what's the reasoning for that, if anything other than the arbitrary distance rule set by the tours here? This is not to question the rule, because honestly I think everyone should have to putt everything that's possible to putt and get the ball to the hole (100+ft but downhill, and thus able to reach the hole by putting, e.g.). My only rationale for raising the question yesterday was in the rare circumstance when you are unable to reach the proper tier of the green from a distance inside 100ft due to the games limitation on putting power. Also, for those saying "don't leave it in that spot," I think allowing chipping ONLY in that circumstance wouldn't really create an outcome terribly different than that which would happen irl - probably some bump-and-run type chip that no one uses in this game, but something to at least get it far enough to reach the proper tier, much like a crazy long putt irl where you're only trying to get it on the right level. I'm fine with leaving the rule as is, fwiw, but I do think there's at least a sliver of an opening to consider a provision for instances when the gameplay mechanic limits the power you can put on the ball, and thereby makes it impossible to get to the hole, leaving you with the ridiculous option of putting off the green just so you can get it up above some red slope. OY! I use it and I think if more people did use it you may very well see why this rule was implemented in the first place. Leave the rule as is, is my take. If it aint broke, don't fix it.
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Post by lessthanbread on Jun 4, 2019 12:25:08 GMT -5
I think I'll have a Diet Coke to go with my Wendy's triple cheesburger and chili-cheese fries Wendy’s chili-cheese fries are sooooo good!
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jun 4, 2019 12:33:39 GMT -5
I wonder...if we removed the option of choosing 1 of the 2 extremes here - either putt everything, or don't have to putt anything if you don't want - what would people suggest instead? If 100ft, what's the reasoning for that, if anything other than the arbitrary distance rule set by the tours here? This is not to question the rule, because honestly I think everyone should have to putt everything that's possible to putt and get the ball to the hole (100+ft but downhill, and thus able to reach the hole by putting, e.g.). My only rationale for raising the question yesterday was in the rare circumstance when you are unable to reach the proper tier of the green from a distance inside 100ft due to the games limitation on putting power. Also, for those saying "don't leave it in that spot," I think allowing chipping ONLY in that circumstance wouldn't really create an outcome terribly different than that which would happen irl - probably some bump-and-run type chip that no one uses in this game, but something to at least get it far enough to reach the proper tier, much like a crazy long putt irl where you're only trying to get it on the right level. I'm fine with leaving the rule as is, fwiw, but I do think there's at least a sliver of an opening to consider a provision for instances when the gameplay mechanic limits the power you can put on the ball, and thereby makes it impossible to get to the hole, leaving you with the ridiculous option of putting off the green just so you can get it up above some red slope. OY! I use it Ditto.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jun 4, 2019 12:36:13 GMT -5
lol apologies, let me re-phrase: "...that very few people use on a consistent basis, as a go-to shot instead of partial flops..."
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Post by andy6467 on Jun 4, 2019 12:52:26 GMT -5
I thought that the chipping vs. putting while on the green concern was more of a TGC1 or TGC2 issue. Chipping in TGC 2019 seems to be much more difficult than putting so i have no problem with chipping on the green.
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Post by cephyn on Jun 4, 2019 12:55:05 GMT -5
I thought that the chipping vs. putting while on the green concern was more of a TGC1 or TGC2 issue. Chipping in TGC 2019 seems to be much more difficult than putting so i have no problem with chipping on the green. I'm a better chipper than I am a putter. I'd rather chip anything from about 20-25 feet or more. Maybe even down to 15 feet. I think chipping is pretty easy.
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Post by gdog on Jun 4, 2019 13:04:31 GMT -5
I thought that the chipping vs. putting while on the green concern was more of a TGC1 or TGC2 issue. Chipping in TGC 2019 seems to be much more difficult than putting so i have no problem with chipping on the green. Not necessarily. We simply don't know right because we aren't allowed to. Now i know many times when chipping from the fringe I do much better by chipping than putting. Now give 2-3000 players the ability to do that on the greens and you will find some, maybe a handful or maybe a few hundred who do way better chipping. The danger here is you'd get everyone chipping from 30-40ft And tbh why would they bother risking that? They wont change the rule for something that maybe affects a few people, once a month. If you leave yourself an impossible putt inside 100ft, then it really is your fault and bad course management.
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Post by cephyn on Jun 4, 2019 13:20:52 GMT -5
I thought that the chipping vs. putting while on the green concern was more of a TGC1 or TGC2 issue. Chipping in TGC 2019 seems to be much more difficult than putting so i have no problem with chipping on the green. Not necessarily. We simply don't know right because we aren't allowed to. Now i know many times when chipping from the fringe I do much better by chipping than putting. Now give 2-3000 players the ability to do that on the greens and you will find some, maybe a handful or maybe a few hundred who do way better chipping. The danger here is you'd get everyone chipping from 30-40ft And tbh why would they bother risking that? They wont change the rule for something that maybe affects a few people, once a month. If you leave yourself an impossible putt inside 100ft, then it really is your fault and bad course management. From a gameplay/scoring perspective, I should be chipping from 30-40ft 100% of the time. But that's not how we should be playing this game, even though it is just a video game.
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Post by pc17 on Jun 4, 2019 13:35:29 GMT -5
I have stated in a previous thread, that the 100ft rule would be OK if all the greens were flat and level, but they are not. I had some harsh words said against me, which I thought were unjust. But I would like to put my point across again as to why this ruling can be unfair in certain circumstances.
Two players hit their shots to a very large green where the 100ft ruling may come into play. Now working on the assumption that 1 inch of elevation = 1ft in length is the example I'll use below.
1st players ball stops 95 feet from the pin, which is 10 inches above their feet, effectively giving the player a 105ft putt. 2nd players ball stops 105 feet from the pin, which is 10 inches below their feet, effectively giving the player a 95ft putt.
In the 1st example, through no fault of the player, he can't reach the pin because the game will not allow him to hit the ball hard enough. But because he's 95ft away from the pin, the rule states, he has to putt.
In the 2nd example, although the player is 105 feet away has a greater chance of reaching the pin because his putt is downhill. But because of the ruling this player can also chip, pitch or flop if they wish to.
This is why the elevation should be taken into account, because in the 1st example this player would have the option to chip, pitch or flop, whereas in the 2nd example this player would have to putt. I can't explain it any simpler than this, and to be honest the example above would rarely occur, but when it does we have to make it fair.
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