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Post by paulus on Jun 3, 2019 12:28:37 GMT -5
Frame Rate- I only used about 60% of the plant meter and for the PGA version I eliminated almost all of the multi-plantings. It was just the size of the trees I think - even tho not a lot of them, big trees = lots of pixels to fill.
Nice course tho dude - just a bit of a pain having to adjust graphical settings for it on the underpowered consoles.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jun 3, 2019 12:29:17 GMT -5
I knew it was close but couldn't see how far exactly it was. 101 Ft. 78Ft with the 2 ft downhill decline. Definitely puttable, but I flopped it because I thought it was legal at >100 ft without accounting for ascent or descent. Sorry to everyone if I broke the rule, if I am dq'd that's cool with me. For starters, let me be clear - Austin in no way cheated, 100% played within the rules, and I have absolutely zero issues with his decision.
Now...what I'd like to do is informally propose serious reconsideration of a part of this rule. As Austin noted, his shot was "definitely puttable" but, playing by the rules, he was afforded the opportunity to hit a flop/chip, as is completely fair under the current system. Earlier in the season, I know that at least a few of us encountered putts that were the opposite of his situation - inside 100ft. but definitely NOT puttable, as the ball wouldn't reach the proper tier of the green due to severe uphill elevation. Lucky me, I've had at least 2 of those this year already that I can remember, the first ones I've ever had on tour up until this year. I'm not whining about the rule as everyone has to play by it, but it seems there might be a more sensible way to go about this. In a real round of golf, you're never going to hit a putt that you know has no chance of doing anything but getting almost to the top of a slope, then coming right back down to a lower tier, mostly because IRL you can hit it harder than this game allows, which is the core problem here - but hardly the type of thing, an HB created "issue," that we've worked with/around before.
So my thought is this - for starters, why do we not have a provision in the rule that allows for chipping/flopping on the green if the severity of uphill elevation to the pin makes it impossible for a 100% power putt to make it to the pin? I'm thinking, if the default putting marker is maxed out (distance the marker shows at setup, without any adjustment, is equal to the speed number of those greens judged by the maximum distance in feet a player could putt), then you are not required to putt. That seems reasonable, to me. I'd also like to see some sort of modification to the rule which would require players to putt when the shot is "definitely puttable," but I also realize that's much more difficult to define, so I'm really just using this inverse example as a way to hopefully put a potential change to the rule on the table.
I'm already anticipating some responses since it's hardly the first time I've read some talk about the topic, but to keep it simple - I think it makes sense for a player to be able to get his/her ball at least onto the correct tier of a green, regardless of how, if the ball is inside 100ft to the hole but impossible to putt up onto that correct tier.
Discuss.....or put me in my place lol just felt like this is a worthwhile topic, and perhaps especially so since there could possibly be such a situation arise for a player on next week's course (maybe?).
Cheers.
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Post by Brighttail on Jun 3, 2019 13:12:15 GMT -5
101 Ft. 78Ft with the 2 ft downhill decline. Definitely puttable, but I flopped it because I thought it was legal at >100 ft without accounting for ascent or descent. Sorry to everyone if I broke the rule, if I am dq'd that's cool with me. For starters, let me be clear - Austin in no way cheated, 100% played within the rules, and I have absolutely zero issues with his decision.
Now...what I'd like to do is informally propose serious reconsideration of a part of this rule. As Austin noted, his shot was "definitely puttable" but, playing by the rules, he was afforded the opportunity to hit a flop/chip, as is completely fair under the current system. Earlier in the season, I know that at least a few of us encountered putts that were the opposite of his situation - inside 100ft. but definitely NOT puttable, as the ball wouldn't reach the proper tier of the green due to severe uphill elevation. Lucky me, I've had at least 2 of those this year already that I can remember, the first ones I've ever had on tour up until this year. I'm not whining about the rule as everyone has to play by it, but it seems there might be a more sensible way to go about this. In a real round of golf, you're never going to hit a putt that you know has no chance of doing anything but getting almost to the top of a slope, then coming right back down to a lower tier, mostly because IRL you can hit it harder than this game allows, which is the core problem here - but hardly the type of thing, an HB created "issue," that we've worked with/around before.
So my thought is this - for starters, why do we not have a provision in the rule that allows for chipping/flopping on the green if the severity of uphill elevation to the pin makes it impossible for a 100% power putt to make it to the pin? I'm thinking, if the default putting marker is maxed out (distance the marker shows at setup, without any adjustment, is equal to the speed number of those greens judged by the maximum distance in feet a player could putt), then you are not required to putt. That seems reasonable, to me. I'd also like to see some sort of modification to the rule which would require players to putt when the shot is "definitely puttable," but I also realize that's much more difficult to define, so I'm really just using this inverse example as a way to hopefully put a potential change to the rule on the table.
I'm already anticipating some responses since it's hardly the first time I've read some talk about the topic, but to keep it simple - I think it makes sense for a player to be able to get his/her ball at least onto the correct tier of a green, regardless of how, if the ball is inside 100ft to the hole but impossible to putt up onto that correct tier.
Discuss.....or put me in my place lol just felt like this is a worthwhile topic, and perhaps especially so since there could possibly be such a situation arise for a player on next week's course (maybe?).
Cheers.
I tried every year since inception. It was a minor miracle we got the 100ft ruling in. I highly doubt Doyley will make a 2nd concession. I'm of the opinion, any club anywhere. Ya know just like golf.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jun 3, 2019 14:32:48 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion, any club anywhere. Ya know just like golf. One of the responses I was expecting. My counter to this is that, simply put, it's not real golf, but we should strive to replicate it. In a real round, we aren't chipping from the green unless there are extreme circumstances (or ever for the 99% of us regular golfers who wouldn't dare put a divot in a putting surface) - that just is not the case in this game.
That said, don't want to go down that specific rabbit hole of a debate, if that makes sense. I understand the general basis of your argument, but do not agree with the logical application of it in this setting, respectfully.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jun 3, 2019 15:05:12 GMT -5
Personally, I’d just have chipping from anywhere. The whole not getting the ball to the hole thing is crackers.
I’d always back myself to have a better run at the hole from almost any position by putting it... I’d only ever chip in circumstances where the line was obstructed or I couldn’t reach the hole, but maybe that’s just me.
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Post by CuseHokie on Jun 3, 2019 15:18:55 GMT -5
I think if the suggested pace is greater than the green you’re playing - that should give you an out. Otherwise 100. So if for some reason we are playing 144 and you have an 80 footer that’s 150 pace then chip away.
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Post by wmr5277 on Jun 3, 2019 15:20:40 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion, any club anywhere. Ya know just like golf. One of the responses I was expecting. My counter to this is that, simply put, it's not real golf, but we should strive to replicate it. In a real round, we aren't chipping from the green unless there are extreme circumstances (or ever for the 99% of us regular golfers who wouldn't dare put a divot in a putting surface) - that just is not the case in this game.
That said, don't want to go down that specific rabbit hole of a debate, if that makes sense. I understand the general basis of your argument, but do not agree with the logical application of it in this setting, respectfully.
I tend to agree. I'd allow chipping from anywhere. While for the poor or average-ish player in tgctours = it makes it easier for sure... However, I think for the very good/elite player it would end up biting them in the a$$ many times if they weren't careful. I think they would goose (aka blast) chips way past trying to hole it...and ultimately at the end of the day it would end up being the same score over 100 instances. I'm fine with the way it is now. But honestly I don't see the massive advantage that others claim to see. Edit: Also the way it is now....forces me to lay back to 90 to 105 for a 90-95% chance auto-birdie with little or no wind. So I think not allowing chipping almost helps me if I find myself in those tweener 260 to 320 yardages. Especially if there is any water/OB near green. Where if chipping is allowed, I'm taking way more chances from the above yardages. And who knows if the rough/deep rough are set as firm, etc... Ball is coming in low with driver off the deck. Could bring in disaster on a mis-hit.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jun 3, 2019 15:36:49 GMT -5
I think if the suggested pace is greater than the green you’re playing - that should give you an out. Otherwise 100. So if for some reason we are playing 144 and you have an 80 footer that’s 150 pace then chip away. Yea, this is what I was trying to say, but in a more concise form.
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Post by paulus on Jun 3, 2019 15:40:21 GMT -5
The rule in principle is a good one - I don't want to see people flopping/chipping their way out of hard 2 putt positions, as they're a great measure of your game. But does need modifying to allow it when you can't hit the effective distance. I've chipped inside the limit before - would have argued my case had I been pulled up - would probably have lost - but a bit of civil disobedience is required when laws result in silly outcomes
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Post by wmr5277 on Jun 3, 2019 15:46:27 GMT -5
The rule in principle is a good one - I don't want to see people flopping/chipping their way out of hard 2 putt positions, as they're a great measure of your game. But does need modifying to allow it when you can't hit the effective distance. I've chipped inside the limit before - would have argued my case had I been pulled up - would probably have lost - but a bit of civil disobedience is required when laws result in silly outcomes Maybe a happy-medium would be to allow chipping and not flopping inside 100 feet on the green. As if there is a big slope near the pin a well executed chip takes skill from 70 feet. Where getting a flop close from 70 feet takes no skill to be quite frank. Like I said above I'm certainly fine with the way it is. I liked Mitch's statement a few posts above. Think if it does change - that would be the best way to go about it.
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Post by paulus on Jun 3, 2019 15:49:34 GMT -5
This might be better for a stand-alone thread B.Smooth13? (poll?) Not only would it keep the event thread more focused - also get input from the wider community rather than just the "PGA bubble".
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Post by Brighttail on Jun 3, 2019 16:10:05 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion, any club anywhere. Ya know just like golf. One of the responses I was expecting. My counter to this is that, simply put, it's not real golf, but we should strive to replicate it. In a real round, we aren't chipping from the green unless there are extreme circumstances (or ever for the 99% of us regular golfers who wouldn't dare put a divot in a putting surface) - that just is not the case in this game.
That said, don't want to go down that specific rabbit hole of a debate, if that makes sense. I understand the general basis of your argument, but do not agree with the logical application of it in this setting, respectfully.
The original purpose of this rule was that in TGC 1, chipping was so easy a person from 18 feet away on a red hill lie could chip the ball in with 90+% accuracy. It was so accurate people were chipping on greens instead of putting, so much so, the rule was created to prevent people from this 'abuse'.
TGC 2019 chipping is nothing like TGC 1, so I don't think the original purpose of the rule exists. Still I'm sure there are people that would abuse it and if allowed in full, we'd see people with 8 putts a round.
My suggest was that use common sense. If you are looking at a 70 foot putt that you know you can't reach because it is up two tiers and the greens are 155 speed, chip/flop away, but then what happens if you are 130 feet away and it is down hill all the way. If you putt you are going to go off the green 20 feet past the hole. Should you be allowed to flop so you can stop the shot? Under current rules, yes, but common sense tells me no pro under this circumstance would. They would just try to hit the lightest putt they could. If it runs 20 feet by the hole like on #15 of Magnolia, so be it. I would love it if we were on the honour system which would go, if you physically get the ball to the hole (ie with max power) and have no obstructions in your way, then you putt. If the math works out that you can't get there or are obstructed, chip/flop/pitch. Take a screen shot of the shot before you take it and pro-actively post it. If you don't and are caught, DQ for that tourney and one more. If you post your pix and an admin thinks your math is wrong, DQ'd for just that tourney. That is about the only fair way to police it. Sadly I don't think the admin would want to do even THAT much policing.
Too bad we can't just have people use common sense and honest to police themselves.
Concerning this week's tourney. I'm having huge computer issues on this course. My frame rate just won't settle be it 4k or 2k. I may try to build a RAM cache to see if that eases the issue, else I may either just compete to the best of my ability or skip it all together. 1/3 of my shots are slow downswings, and if they come on certain shots that is death by double bogey or worse!
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jun 3, 2019 16:28:57 GMT -5
This might be better for a stand-alone thread B.Smooth13 ? (poll?) Not only would it keep the event thread more focused - also get input from the wider community rather than just the "PGA bubble". ...yea...probably the sound decision, apologies, that's my bad. I don't want to be the catalyst for another off-the-rails thread, that's a good call there Paul.
That said, I'm not going to create another thread somewhere. I've seen too many threads of general discussion in other forums that get incredibly off the point after less than a page of posts, and that's definitely not what I'm looking for - part of the reason why I was keeping it local here, but very valid point by Paul in not derailing the purpose of this thread. Anyway, not like I have a ton more to say about the topic, so there's my stance, if others wish to discuss, create a thread and let's have the chat.
Cheers!
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Post by CuseHokie on Jun 3, 2019 16:33:56 GMT -5
This might be better for a stand-alone thread B.Smooth13 ? (poll?) Not only would it keep the event thread more focused - also get input from the wider community rather than just the "PGA bubble". ...yea...probably the sound decision, apologies, that's my bad. I don't want to be the catalyst for another off-the-rails thread, that's a good call there Paul.
That said, I'm not going to create another thread somewhere. I've seen too many threads of general discussion in other forums that get incredibly off the point after less than a page of posts, and that's definitely not what I'm looking for - part of the reason why I was keeping it local here, but very valid point by Paul in not derailing the purpose of this thread. Anyway, not like I have a ton more to say about the topic, so there's my stance, if others wish to discuss, create a thread and let's have the chat.
Cheers!
You’re on a roll with the in-week threads. Last week you got someone thrown out. This week a rule change? What’s in store for the US Open? 🤗
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Post by Brighttail on Jun 3, 2019 16:38:49 GMT -5
Smoothee is on a rolllleee.
This discussion has probably had as many threads as which clubs to allow on the tours over the years.
I suspect for the US Open for Smoothee to come out not only to say he's been playing on a Mac for the last two years using a special emulator but has been playing golf with a guitar hero as an input device.
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