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Post by golfwolfuk on Jun 4, 2019 8:02:31 GMT -5
I am waiting in high anticipation for this..
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Post by theclv24 on Jun 4, 2019 8:46:17 GMT -5
Hey, at the rate I am going, you might finish before me ... Hope you have better luck with the object meter ... it will be interesting to see how you tackle the challenging technicalities of this place. I had to make several attempts, just to get the LiDAR scaling to give me a decent starting point with the meter ... I also found I had to dial back on Planting, and non-essentials to the course. Frankly, I am burning out on this course ... I think you were right on delta over steppe. Dead tree trunks aren’t worth the trade off for green grasses and browned out heavy rough from buried trees. That said, what I would give for ONE pine tree or evergreen in either of those themes... It's so dumb that we still have to deal with this. The engineering resources required to make plants, trees, and textures available across themes can't be so costly as to outweigh the benefits of an infinite number of unique courses in the game.
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Post by DDawg on Jun 4, 2019 11:52:26 GMT -5
HB could have a top shelf game, if they stepped up their game. It is a good game, but could be a fantastic game.
Instead, thier decission making process will keep them as nothing more than a "B" league software company.
Charging "A" team prices.
I love thier game, but I think thier lack of communication, with the community that butters the bread they eat, is killing thier product.
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Post by DDawg on Jun 4, 2019 11:59:43 GMT -5
Hey, at the rate I am going, you might finish before me ... Hope you have better luck with the object meter ... it will be interesting to see how you tackle the challenging technicalities of this place. I had to make several attempts, just to get the LiDAR scaling to give me a decent starting point with the meter ... I also found I had to dial back on Planting, and non-essentials to the course. Frankly, I am burning out on this course ... I think you were right on delta over steppe. Dead tree trunks aren’t worth the trade off for green grasses and browned out heavy rough from buried trees. That said, what I would give for ONE pine tree or evergreen in either of those themes... Yeah, would have been nicer to tap the resources of 3 or 4 themes ... But, without cypress trees, monterey pines and eucalyptus tress ,or even redwoods and gaint sequoia. The courses on the Pacific coast will be a challenge.
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Post by gamesdecent on Jun 7, 2019 22:27:36 GMT -5
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Post by welikeitroughnc on Jun 7, 2019 23:12:15 GMT -5
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Post by joegolferg on Jun 8, 2019 2:59:10 GMT -5
This is how you successfully build a quality Lidar course. Exemplary.
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Post by DDawg on Jun 8, 2019 4:25:40 GMT -5
This is how you successfully build a quality Lidar course. Exemplary. Sorry, but he hasn't shown much of the LiDAR work yet ... this doesn't mean his course isn't progressing nicely. But, all the LiDAR does is give you decent topography starting point. It is nothing more than a generated heightmap. All he's shown is just how he has chosen to deal with the sand dunes ... and from these pictures it looks like a great start. Nothing indicates the "Quality" of the LiDAR topography as of this moment in time. Just want to point out, there seems to be a wide misunderstanding of what the "LiDAR" portion of the course is.
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Post by joegolferg on Jun 8, 2019 5:22:13 GMT -5
This is how you successfully build a quality Lidar course. Exemplary. Sorry, but he hasn't shown much of the LiDAR work yet ... this doesn't mean his course isn't progressing nicely. But, all the LiDAR does is give you decent topography starting point. It is nothing more than a generated heightmap. All he's shown is just how he has chosen to deal with the sand dunes ... and from these pictures it looks like a great start. Nothing indicates the "Quality" of the LiDAR topography as of this moment in time. Just want to point out, there seems to be a wide misunderstanding of what the "LiDAR" portion of the course is. Didn't you play his Fisher's Island? Brian has a very, very consistent track record when it comes to course design, his Cypress Dunes planting is also a testament to how good this course will turn out - also helps that he's a huge McKenzie fan.
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Post by welikeitroughnc on Jun 8, 2019 10:33:18 GMT -5
This is how you successfully build a quality Lidar course. Exemplary. Sorry, but he hasn't shown much of the LiDAR work yet ... this doesn't mean his course isn't progressing nicely. But, all the LiDAR does is give you decent topography starting point. It is nothing more than a generated heightmap. All he's shown is just how he has chosen to deal with the sand dunes ... and from these pictures it looks like a great start. Nothing indicates the "Quality" of the LiDAR topography as of this moment in time. Just want to point out, there seems to be a wide misunderstanding of what the "LiDAR" portion of the course is. Sorry but I find this to be a bit of a slight towards brian and his proven track record.... everything about this screams quality... too much negativity on your part
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Post by DDawg on Jun 8, 2019 10:44:59 GMT -5
Sorry, but he hasn't shown much of the LiDAR work yet ... this doesn't mean his course isn't progressing nicely. But, all the LiDAR does is give you decent topography starting point. It is nothing more than a generated heightmap. All he's shown is just how he has chosen to deal with the sand dunes ... and from these pictures it looks like a great start. Nothing indicates the "Quality" of the LiDAR topography as of this moment in time. Just want to point out, there seems to be a wide misunderstanding of what the "LiDAR" portion of the course is. Didn't you play his Fisher's Island? Brian has a very, very consistent track record when it comes to course design, his Cypress Dunes planting is also a testament to how good this course will turn out - also helps that he's a huge McKenzie fan. Again, planting, Texturing, course layout, have ZERO to do with the QUALITY of a LiDAR course. Quality of LiDAR only depends on the Height Accuracy and spacing of the cloud-point per a given area. The next part of that Quality, is the kicker. It is how it is Scale Mapped in Chad's Tool, then processed onto the themed plot of land. This provide the tempo for the QUALITY. And still is only half the battle. As there is the issue of "Object Meter" and amount of terrain Clean-Up ... and This is where the "QUALITY of LiDAR" course resides. Your Statement has nothing to do with Brian's ability to turn out a fantastic looking finished product, of which I was a fan of his Cypress Dunes. His love for Alister MacKenzie, also has anything to do with the "QUALITY" of the LiDAR data ... It just provides him with drive and motivation to do this course justice, as it did with my version. I am indeed hopeful that he pulls this off ... There is room for more than one version of this famed course and the fact it will be done properly in his version is all that matters. More importantly, the Course looks differently during different times of the year ... so again, It's great that he is going in a different direction with tackling the sand dunes. I chose not to, because I didn't want the same "Sand Texture" look - to take away from the actual sand bunkers on the course (And in my opinion, it did) ... This is a compromise I had to deal with. Especially, when it came to deal with the dreaded "Object meter". I really hope he pulls it off without many compromises. This course was the toughest one I have attempted to do within the designer limited capabilities. To wrap this up, LiDAR is no true Magic cure for the quality of a course. It is the details added by the designer and how he's chosen to whet his palette. Brian will no doubt do well.
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Post by DDawg on Jun 8, 2019 10:47:19 GMT -5
Sorry, but he hasn't shown much of the LiDAR work yet ... this doesn't mean his course isn't progressing nicely. But, all the LiDAR does is give you decent topography starting point. It is nothing more than a generated heightmap. All he's shown is just how he has chosen to deal with the sand dunes ... and from these pictures it looks like a great start. Nothing indicates the "Quality" of the LiDAR topography as of this moment in time. Just want to point out, there seems to be a wide misunderstanding of what the "LiDAR" portion of the course is. Sorry but I find this to be a bit of a slight towards brian and his proven track record.... everything about this screams quality... too much negativity on your part Typical BS ... learn to read. I did nothing of the sort.
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Post by csugolfer60 on Jun 8, 2019 10:54:10 GMT -5
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Post by jwtexan on Jun 8, 2019 11:01:20 GMT -5
Didn't you play his Fisher's Island? Brian has a very, very consistent track record when it comes to course design, his Cypress Dunes planting is also a testament to how good this course will turn out - also helps that he's a huge McKenzie fan. Again, planting, Texturing, course layout, have ZERO to do with the QUALITY of a LiDAR course. Quality of LiDAR only depends on the Height Accuracy and spacing of the cloud-point per a given area. The next part of that Quality, is the kicker. It is how it is Scale Mapped in Chad's Tool, then processed onto the themed plot of land. This provide the tempo for the QUALITY. And still is only half the battle. As there is the issue of "Object Meter" and amount of terrain Clean-Up ... and This is where the "QUALITY of LiDAR" course resides. Your Statement has nothing to do with Brian's ability to turn out a fantastic looking finished product, of which I was a fan of his Cypress Dunes. His love for Alister MacKenzie, also has anything to do with the "QUALITY" of the LiDAR data ... It just provides him with drive and motivation to do this course justice, as it did with my version. I am indeed hopeful that he pulls this off ... There is room for more than one version of this famed course and the fact it will be done properly in his version is all that matters. More importantly, the Course looks differently during different times of the year ... so again, It's great that he is going in a different direction with tackling the sand dunes. I chose not to, because I didn't want the same "Sand Texture" look - to take away from the actual sand bunkers on the course (And in my opinion, it did) ... This is a compromise I had to deal with. Especially, when it came to deal with the dreaded "Object meter". I really hope he pulls it off without many compromises. This course was the toughest one I have attempted to do within the designer limited capabilities. To wrap this up, LiDAR is no true Magic cure for the quality of a course. It is the details added by the designer and how he's chosen to whet his palette. Brian will no doubt do well. I would argue that planting, Texturing and course layout have everything to do with producing a quality lidar course that remains an accurate RCR. The LIDAR portion of the course is the same for anyone on a pc who goes through the proper steps of pulling in the data. The planting, texturing and course layout are the true challenge. The lidar data can be perfect and match planet earth exactly in that location, but if the designer doesn’t truly draw you into that space and make you feel like you are there IRL, then what does it matter than the elevation was exactly right? I think this is just a break down of communication really. Typically, when someone calls something a “quality lidar course” it is just another way of expressing appreciation of the RCR. No one cares about “quality lidar” in the sense of pulling the right data. We expect you to pull the correct data. That’s a given.
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Post by gamesdecent on Jun 8, 2019 11:12:20 GMT -5
Guys, we'll be fine. If there's room for multiple Augusta's, Cypress is no different.
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