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Post by CuseHokie on Apr 24, 2019 9:18:59 GMT -5
As I've said before, I feel like we really get into the weeds sometimes with discussions like these, it doesn't have to be so complicated. Pick up controller, hold controller in hands like a normal person, using the physical design of the hardware the way in which it was intended to be used. Put thumb on analog stick, move thumb back then forward. Try to get ball in hole in the fewest amount of strokes as possible. Simple. It's when we get into using methods for manipulating straightness of swing - i.e., a flick, or chess-piece, or whatever the one is where you actually rotate the entire controller while holding the stick still (however that's possible...) - that aren't just "pick it up, hold it normal, use your thumb" that things get complicated. Not in all cases obviously, but it seems like these non-standard methods are more apt to cause issues than others, and then we venture down the rabbit hole of arbitrarily determining "fairness" as best we can - and that's never going to work for everyone. I’ll take partial credit for this poll starting. My point is not how people hold the controller or swing it. Simply that if the API is the gold standard for enforcing fairness, then why (seemingly) aren’t we taking into account folks that have been pulled multiple (4 or more) times?
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Post by SmilingGoats on Apr 24, 2019 10:07:18 GMT -5
Has someone put together a list of people who have been pulled 3 or more times? Who are these people we're talking about?
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Apr 24, 2019 10:10:46 GMT -5
As I've said before, I feel like we really get into the weeds sometimes with discussions like these, it doesn't have to be so complicated. Pick up controller, hold controller in hands like a normal person, using the physical design of the hardware the way in which it was intended to be used. Put thumb on analog stick, move thumb back then forward. Try to get ball in hole in the fewest amount of strokes as possible. Simple. It's when we get into using methods for manipulating straightness of swing - i.e., a flick, or chess-piece, or whatever the one is where you actually rotate the entire controller while holding the stick still (however that's possible...) - that aren't just "pick it up, hold it normal, use your thumb" that things get complicated. Not in all cases obviously, but it seems like these non-standard methods are more apt to cause issues than others, and then we venture down the rabbit hole of arbitrarily determining "fairness" as best we can - and that's never going to work for everyone. I’ll take partial credit for this poll starting. My point is not how people hold the controller or swing it. Simply that if the API is the gold standard for enforcing fairness, then why (seemingly) aren’t we taking into account folks that have been pulled multiple (4 or more) times? I fully understand your point, and actually am on your side of it.
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Post by CuseHokie on Apr 24, 2019 10:19:09 GMT -5
Has someone put together a list of people who have been pulled 3 or more times? Who are these people we're talking about? Let's just say 6 of the top50 in Fedex... 3 of which are top15.
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Post by paulus on Apr 24, 2019 10:35:13 GMT -5
Has someone put together a list of people who have been pulled 3 or more times? Who are these people we're talking about? It’s all speculation - until you let us have that info too.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Apr 24, 2019 10:52:26 GMT -5
Has someone put together a list of people who have been pulled 3 or more times? Who are these people we're talking about? It’s all speculation - until you let us have that info too. That's my point. I can't think of anyone of the top of my head that's been pulled three different times. I have no way of looking that up by the way without going back to each individual week and looking at who was pulled. Everyone seems certain this is a big problem...but someone needs to tell me who I'm looking for here.
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Post by GW_Hope on Apr 24, 2019 10:52:39 GMT -5
Has someone put together a list of people who have been pulled 3 or more times? Who are these people we're talking about? It’s all speculation - until you let us have that info too. We know.
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Post by paulus on Apr 24, 2019 11:11:01 GMT -5
I'm sure you & others do John. I don't for sure - but I read just enough passing comments/allusions to believe there's some people gaming the system - not all holes can be closed, but this is one that could. If it's as you say 3 out of the top 15 - that's 20% of the very top players, which is a significant proportion and enough to cast some shade over the competition.
Jeff - if the pulls were published, then the speculation would go away. It might be replaced by something different - but honestly - I think it'd be less evil than the constant niggling / undermining.
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Post by kickingguru on Apr 24, 2019 11:18:31 GMT -5
For the noobs to competitive golf there was guy named tigerwoodswoodie or something like that on TW games and he would play against himself 3 hole matches to get on the top of the leaderboard. The old school guys would remember his bs. Ohh and let's get really honest. Most of you guys cheat the game of golf. Zoom to aim on your unicorns , green grids and tracers like you took brown acid. 😋🏌️⛳🏌️♀️🏌️🏌️♂️⛳ Ohh I remember that nub..... Good times though as this game could certainly use an actual lobby to see what matches are available. How did online play take a step backwards from TW 2004? I am one of the oldest school tiger guys... The Guru
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Post by kickingguru on Apr 24, 2019 11:49:00 GMT -5
This poll does smack of the 3 rules of online gaming...
Rule #1: I am the greatest video game player of all time
Rule #2: I must be great as I shot -2 on TPC Sawgrass in my first week of playing (Gets through Q-School and is placed in CC-z)
Rule #3: Everyone else must be cheating because ... Rule #1
We have a group that cares about the game and actually monitors something like API. That is enough for me. Their decisions are in the best interest of the league and the stability of the Tour is proof enough that they know what they are doing. My place in the tour is more about my play both good and bad than it is about others swing habits. The way its talked about here, one would conclude the entire PGA/Euro tour are cheating and most of the Web and CC-A. That is simply not the case.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 12:19:46 GMT -5
One good thing has come out of this, I never even knew that we could blame the designers for choosing the wrong green speeds. Opens up a whole new line of me whinging and freshens things up a bit 😂
Stupid designers 👎🏼
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 12:32:42 GMT -5
One good thing has come out of this, I never even knew that we could blame the designers for choosing the wrong green speeds. Opens up a whole new line of me whinging and freshens things up a bit 😂 Stupid designers 👎🏼 Once you take the PGA pill, there's no limit on what or whom you can blame for your errors, the world's your oyster! You don't even need to be in the PGA, it's all a state of mind - a dash of narcissism, schizophrenia and an active imagination is all that's needed. Last season someone blamed Pablo for putting a tree in the middle of the fairway which supposedly caused a bad tempo shot - turns out it wasn't even Pablo's course, but that didn't matter, the important thing was that blame for a bad shot was deflected elsewhere in a creative, aggressive and utterly irrational way, and that's what the PGA mindset is all about
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 12:43:08 GMT -5
I’d like to think I was the biggest whinger on the World Tour before my talent went away and I got all Danny Willett or David Duval-ly...
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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 24, 2019 14:02:06 GMT -5
One good thing has come out of this, I never even knew that we could blame the designers for choosing the wrong green speeds. Opens up a whole new line of me whinging and freshens things up a bit 😂 Stupid designers 👎🏼 Last season someone blamed Pablo for putting a tree in the middle of the fairway which supposedly caused a bad tempo shot - turns out it wasn't even Pablo's course That was a classic
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Post by Cyclerob on Apr 24, 2019 14:31:10 GMT -5
It’s all speculation - until you let us have that info too. That's my point. I can't think of anyone of the top of my head that's been pulled three different times. I have no way of looking that up by the way without going back to each individual week and looking at who was pulled. Everyone seems certain this is a big problem...but someone needs to tell me who I'm looking for here. Pretty sure that I was... Not hidding it... Again wasn't trying to "game" the system.. Having a tought time adapting since hitting the top part of the controller doesn't garantee you a 100% completed line in the HUD. Right now I'm apply more pressure on the stick and getting some lines that don't show full in the HUD, but are clearly doubled as if they rebounded against something. Btw, how do the API interprets these rebounds? Just wondering since I saw other players getting those too!
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