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Post by Generic_Casual on Apr 22, 2019 19:11:36 GMT -5
This thread is AMAZING! Can't wait to play me rounds. Lmaooooo
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Apr 22, 2019 19:25:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 22:00:49 GMT -5
First off, I think this course is fantastic. And I'm not just saying that cause I might have a top 10 at -43 total. The fact this course didn't make it past the 1st round of the design challenge a couple months ago is a travesty. Great elevation changes and it's very unique. I'm in the camp where uniqueness should be very highly regarded. Not to mention this course started on a flat plot. Quite impressive. Getting to the greens-- I actually disagree with you Justin. I've played this course a bunch at 187s and thought it was fair. There's definitely a few pins at 187 that are dicey. But you can always just hit it 20 feet below the hole. I thought at 152 speed all 72 pins were accessible. (Except hole 11 in rd 1. But many 7500 yard golf courses are going to have 1 par 4 like that in very high winds. It's the same for everyone. No big deal imo) Sometimes (I've been guilty of it too)...just because we can't shoot -14 with ease and have an automatic birdie with a GW that something must be wrong with the course. Smh. Finally, it was a little annoying to have the same firmness settings and 152 green speeds all 4 rounds. I noticed next weeks tourney...same thing all 4 rounds. I just believe between each round; it takes much more skill to go from firm to slow to normal firmness and from 163 to 187 to 144 speed, etc, etc. But it is what it is. Can't please everyone. I get it. Anyways, good luck to everyone still to play! Edit - Geez. I knew I putted very poorly all tournament. But just looked and had a 90% medium putt %. Woof. I'm with Larry - I see -50+ for sure as your winner. Fantastic post. Just want to add re: the bold part, I agree, I think it's only because of ultra-tier whinging from people like hippy that the schedulers stopped giving us multiple green condition settings in recent months. Used to be a lot more interesting with different speeds and firmnesses (firmnessi?) when the season first started, and I've always preferred mixing it up because as PGA players we're supposed to be able to adapt. Far better test of our abilities to put us in unusual situations rather than giving us bog-standard settings every single round. But a few months back some people started saying that the greens didn't 'play properly' on anything other than default conditions and it seems that's been taken on board as we hardly ever have different green conditions these days. I think everybody knows there is no such thing as a 'sh*tty green speed' that doesn't 'work', it looks like hippy just got married to his click system, which doesn't work as well on some green speeds as it does on others. And rather than conclude that his system needs adjusting for those different green speeds - as any normal, non-rabid human would - he concludes the game itself is broken and moreover that designers secretly set those green speeds because they know it's broken and the greens "play wrong", and thus achieve their primary objective which is to annoy the top players. 50+ hours spent in the designer purely because they want to p*ss off a couple of top players. #pgalogic I must have said this at least half a dozen times on my twitch vids - when I practise a course, the only things I care about are how the greens play, because winds play the same on every course, but specific greens conditions on specific courses need to be learned because they don't always play how you'd expect. I have my default expectation of how breaks react on greens, so when I practise I take a mental note if I see that this course, with these settings, takes a smidge less or a smidge more break than I'm used to, and I use that to adjust in my actual rounds. That imo is exactly how it should be, same as in IRL, every green is different and you are rewarded by practising on it to learn how it plays. Finding a putting click system that works great on 187 and 163 but pretty much nothing else and then getting angry when any other speed is used, because the click system no longer works as well, is unmitigated insanity.
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Apr 23, 2019 4:01:24 GMT -5
-10 thru 2, another M/C on the record, beginning to question why i'm actually bothering playing tbh. Course was ok, never hit so many fairway's , greens were ok, cup seemed smaller if u ask me, either that or it was just the crapster holding the putter Well played all those who have finished and good luck to those yet to start/finish To partly quote rob4590 see you all next week for another 36
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Post by paulus on Apr 23, 2019 4:08:21 GMT -5
Stuck a decent -11 in to open the tourny this week - snuggled up with my best mate Larry on the leaderboard 🧸 Loved the course - looks beautiful and played just the same. A good handful of holes where best strategy was to look for a position on the green, rather than just hitting it directly at the pin - a 20foot putt easier than being off the green Green speeds suited my eye it seems - approaches were not always the best, but must have made 200 ft+ worth of putts. Played with Hippy as my ghost partner for funsies - could almost feel the meltdown through the TV
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Apr 23, 2019 6:14:03 GMT -5
I have a great distaste for people who always find something to complain about, because life is too short. If they took that same energy they use for complaining and finding fault, and instead put it toward something constructive, they could rebuild the world.
How often have you been inspired to do something after you have listened to a person complain? Learn to listen to the complaint and then ask the question, so what are you going to do about it? Rather than just listening to the grumbling and being pulled down yourself, inspire the person by moving them beyond the complaint to the solution.
Rather than complain, and despair, . . . put aside our egos and embrace the reality of life and ageing, and squeeze out the most of it, to get a fulfilling happy life.
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Post by jtcurrent on Apr 23, 2019 6:57:13 GMT -5
Tim I was thinking the same thing going through all the previous posts and thankfully my buddy Burton saved the day. Every week it’s the same BS on these boards complaining about something other than their own ability to get it done. And from someone who started with TGC1 I can tell you the continuous bellyaching makes the entire experience less enjoyable. So congrats if that’s your goal. If it’s not then please recognize you sound like entitled children and it’s completely distasteful. Be thankful we all have this platform to enjoy competing and stop seeking perfection everywhere but in your own game! Ps...Get off my lawn!
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Post by flyingj75 on Apr 23, 2019 7:55:35 GMT -5
☝️But the greens..................😜
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Apr 23, 2019 9:02:45 GMT -5
And -45 still winning.... get the @!$# out of here!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 9:43:49 GMT -5
I don't use the distance info on the putting marker nor do I use the worm cam to analyze grids and beads. I putt by using all feel. So I don't notice any subtle or nuanced irregularities between green speeds if there are any like some technical putters claim.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 9:49:09 GMT -5
Loved the course. Very creative and unique. Probably the only time I've actually looked at where the pin was on the green to see where to try and put the ball in the fairway.
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Post by GW_Hope on Apr 23, 2019 10:25:18 GMT -5
Lame
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Post by CuseHokie on Apr 23, 2019 10:35:35 GMT -5
While I think Hippy's delivery left some room for improvement, I do believe his heart is in the right place as far as having a fair tour.
To me, 2019 has been a downgrade as far as my TGCTours experience goes. My motivation had been dwindling but lately it's reached a cliff. How can we have an equitable tour when there are several (suddenly) top players earning a top10 each week, or an API flag? Honestly, is this the best we can do? I get that this is mostly volunteers, but still, how many thousands of dollars have been "donated" to help fund some of this in hopes of having a positive experience?
Sure, there are some that'll call the weekly PGA thread a circus. In its defense, if you're in a middle flight tour (Euro, Web, CCA, etc) - you're not having to endure these shenanigans specifically with the straight shooting deceivers because ultimately they don't last but a few weeks on your tour before they've been "promoted".
Certainly, some of this burden rests on HB, and I have little confidence they'll do much to address some of the swing "deficiencies" that are being exploited - but certainly a penalty for repeat offenders should be discussed? One idea I've discussed is docking Fedex points... another would be missing X weeks. First time offender? You're pulled for that week. Second time offender? You're pulled that week and the next. Third? Rinse and repeat. Maybe after 4 or 5 pulls, people will adapt and we can have some semblance of government.
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Post by GW_Hope on Apr 23, 2019 10:51:53 GMT -5
I have a great distaste for people who always find something to complain about, because life is too short. If they took that same energy they use for complaining and finding fault, and instead put it toward something constructive, they could rebuild the world. How often have you been inspired to do something after you have listened to a person complain? Learn to listen to the complaint and then ask the question, so what are you going to do about it? Rather than just listening to the grumbling and being pulled down yourself, inspire the person by moving them beyond the complaint to the solution. Rather than complain, and despair, . . . put aside our egos and embrace the reality of life and ageing, and squeeze out the most of it, to get a fulfilling happy life. Born again?
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Post by paulus on Apr 23, 2019 10:55:50 GMT -5
While I think Hippy's delivery left some room for improvement, I do believe his heart is in the right place as far as having a fair tour. To me, 2019 has been a downgrade as far as my TGCTours experience goes. My motivation had been dwindling but lately it's reached a cliff. How can we have an equitable tour when there are several (suddenly) top players earning a top10 each week, or an API flag? Honestly, is this the best we can do? I get that this is mostly volunteers, but still, how many thousands of dollars have been "donated" to help fund some of this in hopes of having a positive experience? Sure, there are some that'll call the weekly PGA thread a circus. In its defense, if you're in a middle flight tour (Euro, Web, CCA, etc) - you're not having to endure these shenanigans specifically with the straight shooting deceivers because ultimately they don't last but a few weeks on your tour before they've been "promoted". Certainly, some of this burden rests on HB, and I have little confidence they'll do much to address some of the swing "deficiencies" that are being exploited - but certainly a penalty for repeat offenders should be discussed? One idea I've discussed is docking Fedex points... another would be missing X weeks. First time offender? You're pulled for that week. Second time offender? You're pulled that week and the next. Third? Rinse and repeat. Maybe after 4 or 5 pulls, people will adapt and we can have some semblance of government. Your heart is never in the right place if you direct that much bile at the people that are running & help to run this thing out of the goodness of their hearts. Donations are just that - a little something as a symbol of our appreciation for the work they do - I don't think we should have any expectations for that. Expectations of a product would only come if they charge us for it - ie mandatory payment. Agree one or two of his points may have been valid, but when you layer profanities and personal attacks on top of them... no surprise when they get very lost. Totally agree on longer term bans for repeat offenders tho! Feels like this is a big gap in the current policy, increasingly being exploited.
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