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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 22:18:02 GMT -5
Dispersion was too good but it's not straight shooting. I'll have what he's having por favor. It's not the same thing. It's effectively exactly the same. So rather than every shot being right down the middle, every shot was between 4-5 degrees right of middle. When someone is shooting straight, it's not the straightness itself that that gives them the advantage, it's the certainty of knowing that the ball will go in exactly the same direction every time. Edit: Bob PM'd me his chart and the accompanying swing line screenshots and well, never thought I'd say this but I think HB's api may be borked, or at the very least not fit for purpose. In my experience in the game, a sharp turn left towards the end of a swing (which Bob had on most shots) tends to pull the ball left, even when the swing is 95% right up to that last turn. Yet the api in his case shows virtually every shot right of centre, as though it were only counting the first part of the swing. For the purposes of distinguishing fair play, the API really needs to count total cumulative deviation of the controller stick, rather than weighing certain part of the swing more than others or averaging out or whatever. Someone who has a line that goes both left and right, yet the HB algorithm decides to average it out as straight, should not be given the same number on the api chart as an actual straight shooting controller.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 22:36:56 GMT -5
It's effectively exactly the same. So rather than every shot being right down the middle, every shot was between 4-5 degrees right of middle. When someone is shooting straight, it's not the straightness itself that that gives them the advantage, it's the certainty of knowing that the ball will go in exactly the same direction every time. I consider straight shooting as all shots, or at least a majority (more than 50%) in one section (box) on one of the data charts supplied by staff that you occasionally see. Something like clustered dispersion that gets API pulled is rightly to be removed, but it is not what I would consider 'straight shooting'. I think of straight shooting as what you would get with a non-programmable third party controller like a Power-A XB1 aftermarket one or a Logitech mouse or an angle snapped mouse.
One really isn't possible with properly working stock equipment (nearly all in one small box of data), but the other is (tight dispersion). Guess it's a matter of semantics and definition, but there certainly is a difference between what actually happens and what I think some perceive is going on when people get API yanked with a regular controller.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 23:02:18 GMT -5
FYI Hippy did help me, at least he tried. I'm split on this. I personnally think if you keep the vulgarity out of it and not make it personal one may rant all they like. I get the forum ban, though I thought it should be temporary. I don't get the playing ban. Guys have done far worse!! Hippy is like a mad scientist when it comes to the game and he obviously loves it. I think he is actually good for the tour. I would like the powers to be to put aside the personal part and reconsider this ban. Tough to take things away from people that they are passionate about even if they go off now and then. As the saying goes, if someone is nice to you but they're rude to the waiter, then they're not a nice person. Did you see what he called the admins in the recent WGC? If you're not English you might not have digested the significance of that curse word, but it's something that would almost guarantee getting you fired if said to your seniors at work, and if said to a stranger's face in real life it would be an instant fight or flight situation. I still can't believe he survived that tbh. I know you're relatively new but Hippy's been way, way out in a league of his own since the start of TGC2 in terms of that kind of abusive behaviour towards others, especially designers, admins and volunteers who do nothing wrong and who work for free to try to make this an enjoyable experience for everyone. I can't think of any other TGCT member who has even come anywhere near the same ball park of his level of abuse, so I'm not sure what "worse" you're thinking of from other people on this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 23:48:01 GMT -5
It's effectively exactly the same. So rather than every shot being right down the middle, every shot was between 4-5 degrees right of middle. When someone is shooting straight, it's not the straightness itself that that gives them the advantage, it's the certainty of knowing that the ball will go in exactly the same direction every time. I consider straight shooting as all shots, or at least a majority (more than 50%) in one section (box) on one of the data charts supplied by staff that you occasionally see. Something like clustered dispersion that gets API pulled is rightly to be removed, but it is not what I would consider 'straight shooting'. I think of straight shooting as what you would get with a non-programmable third party controller like a Power-A XB1 aftermarket one or a Logitech mouse or an angle snapped mouse.
One really isn't possible with properly working stock equipment (nearly all in one small box of data), but the other is (tight dispersion). Guess it's a matter of semantics and definition, but there certainly is a difference between what actually happens and what I think some perceive is going on when people get API yanked with a regular controller.
Just FYI. My Power A has been passed by admin. I choose not to use it, because even though it’s passed the API - I don’t want an advantage over anyone else playing on XBox. Could score better using it I’m sure, just like I could score better if I played on PC or got the game for PS4. Unlike others here, I don’t link my self worth with my results on a video game, nor look down on others on lower tours. Just another FYI, you welcomed me back when I never went anywhere. The world exists outside of this tour y’know Bob...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 23:58:00 GMT -5
I consider straight shooting as all shots, or at least a majority (more than 50%) in one section (box) on one of the data charts supplied by staff that you occasionally see. Something like clustered dispersion that gets API pulled is rightly to be removed, but it is not what I would consider 'straight shooting'. I think of straight shooting as what you would get with a non-programmable third party controller like a Power-A XB1 aftermarket one or a Logitech mouse or an angle snapped mouse.
One really isn't possible with properly working stock equipment (nearly all in one small box of data), but the other is (tight dispersion). Guess it's a matter of semantics and definition, but there certainly is a difference between what actually happens and what I think some perceive is going on when people get API yanked with a regular controller.
Just FYI. My Power A has been passed by admin. I choose not to use it, because even though it’s passed the API - I don’t want an advantage over anyone else playing on XBox. Could score better using it I’m sure, just like I could score better if I played on PC or got the game for PS4. Unlike others here, I don’t link my self worth with my results on a video game, nor look down on others on lower tours. Just another FYI, you welcomed me back when I never went anywhere. The world exists outside of this tour y’know Bob...You widely assume incorrect things about me if you are going down THAT route.
Your name all of a sudden popped up on the PGA, TST, and various Clubhouse threads to (mostly) snark and troll after a decent quiet period on them, so I noticed and 'welcomed you back' to those particular threads and adjusted my expectations accordingly to what I read. I think I read enough of these forums to notice that you weren't gone. Perhaps the sarcasm wasn't obvious to you, snark is usually a strong suit for ya. It wasn't hard to notice the Euro Tour Spoiler thread titles earlier in the year. I know you haven't been 'gone'.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 0:55:37 GMT -5
Just FYI. My Power A has been passed by admin. I choose not to use it, because even though it’s passed the API - I don’t want an advantage over anyone else playing on XBox. Could score better using it I’m sure, just like I could score better if I played on PC or got the game for PS4. Unlike others here, I don’t link my self worth with my results on a video game, nor look down on others on lower tours. Just another FYI, you welcomed me back when I never went anywhere. The world exists outside of this tour y’know Bob...You widely assume incorrect things about me if you are going down THAT route.
Your name all of a sudden popped up on the PGA, TST, and various Clubhouse threads to (mostly) snark and troll after a decent quiet period on them, so I noticed and 'welcomed you back' to those particular threads and adjusted my expectations accordingly to what I read. I think I read enough of these forums to notice that you weren't gone. Perhaps the sarcasm wasn't obvious to you, snark is usually a strong suit for ya. It wasn't hard to notice the Euro Tour Spoiler thread titles earlier in the year. I know you haven't been 'gone'.
I’ll wear snark and troll, as soon as you wear suck-ass, one time sandbagger knowitall, deal?
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Post by Doyley on Apr 25, 2019 0:56:32 GMT -5
Going to lock this one down if you guys can't get back to golf talk
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 1:20:11 GMT -5
You never get upset when people take shots at me, only when I reply to them.
Consistency is important, in golf...
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Post by paulus on Apr 25, 2019 3:22:21 GMT -5
Ohhh noes!!! Why'd Bob go? A positive + productive member of the community... place will be worse without him
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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 25, 2019 3:24:11 GMT -5
Ohhh noes!!! Why'd Bob go? A positive + productive member of the community... place will be worse without him ??
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Post by flyingj75 on Apr 25, 2019 3:25:52 GMT -5
FYI Hippy did help me, at least he tried. I'm split on this. I personnally think if you keep the vulgarity out of it and not make it personal one may rant all they like. I get the forum ban, though I thought it should be temporary. I don't get the playing ban. Guys have done far worse!! Hippy is like a mad scientist when it comes to the game and he obviously loves it. I think he is actually good for the tour. I would like the powers to be to put aside the personal part and reconsider this ban. Tough to take things away from people that they are passionate about even if they go off now and then. As the saying goes, if someone is nice to you but they're rude to the waiter, then they're not a nice person. Did you see what he called the admins in the recent WGC? If you're not English you might not have digested the significance of that curse word, but it's something that would almost guarantee getting you fired if said to your seniors at work, and if said to a stranger's face in real life it would be an instant fight or flight situation. I still can't believe he survived that tbh. I know you're relatively new but Hippy's been way, way out in a league of his own since the start of TGC2 in terms of that kind of abusive behaviour towards others, especially designers, admins and volunteers who do nothing wrong and who work for free to try to make this an enjoyable experience for everyone. I can't think of any other TGCT member who has even come anywhere near the same ball park of his level of abuse, so I'm not sure what "worse" you're thinking of from other people on this forum. Right you are Larry, I certainly did not realize the significance of the words he used. Also, by "far worse" I just meant that he only got flagged once when others have been DQ'd several times. Let's put it this way, I determined a while back that certain guys on this forum speak the truth, and are kind, funny and helpful, you Larry are one of those guys. I defer to you on this.
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Apr 25, 2019 4:06:05 GMT -5
Ohhh noes!!! Why'd Bob go? A positive + productive member of the community... place will be worse without him ?? Thats a shame, never had a bad word with Bob, and he messaged me personally to congratulate us on Winning the 1st Ryder Cup, found that rather touching. Hope he's back soon. How's u Fadge? All good I hope?
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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 25, 2019 4:25:16 GMT -5
?? Thats a shame, never had a bad word with Bob, and he messaged me personally to congratulate us on Winning the 1st Ryder Cup, found that rather touching. Hope he's back soon. How's u Fadge? All good I hope? Crap news about Bob. A good guy for sure. That's very disappointing. Aye, not bad thanks mate. Not playing an awful lot, so not surprised at my results!! In general, both myself and more importantly the family are all in good health. Mrs expecting another baby July 21st... Then I will be screwed for (real life) golf time. Hope all's well with you mate
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Apr 25, 2019 4:27:42 GMT -5
Thats a shame, never had a bad word with Bob, and he messaged me personally to congratulate us on Winning the 1st Ryder Cup, found that rather touching. Hope he's back soon. How's u Fadge? All good I hope? Crap news about Bob. A good guy for sure. That's very disappointing. Aye, not bad thanks mate. Not playing an awful lot, so not surprised at my results!! In general, both myself and more importantly the family are all in good health. Mrs expecting another baby July 21st... Then I will be screwed for (real life) golf time. Hope all's well with you mate Congratulations buddy All well thanks.
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Post by paulus on Apr 25, 2019 4:36:25 GMT -5
There's a golf thread in here somewhere I believe... Managed another -11 for R2, leaving me at -22 at the half way stage. Can have a decent stab at the top 10 from here - but can't see me getting near heafshcreet 's third round total. Still absolutely loving the course, going to go down as one of my all time faves - imagination required to play well 👍
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