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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 23:11:43 GMT -5
Freestyle play gets my vote everytime. Smacks of a little bit of talent. Clicking,equation busting mathematicians surely don't get a lot of enjoyment out of this game. Down with the clicksters I say... You won't get any argument from me when you say it takes more talent to freestyle and when it comes to putts that break more than a grid, I end up freestyling it or using the old Boomer method with some freestyle adjustments. For me I don't play much, if at all with a worm cam so my click method has more to do with how fast the bubs are moving with again a little freestyle put in for down hill putts or putts the break heavily at the end. Definitely not the exact mathematical style some play with but more of a hybrid. I don't see much benefit at all to a maths-based putting method, hence why I go purely by visualising. You can read a break however you want, it makes no difference if the pace of your putt doesn't match up with that break. The pace/break dynamic is the whole underlying principle of thunderc*cking, i.e. you can take out some of the break by putting more firmly and thereby improving consistency. As I've shown on twitch before, for a huge sloping 15ft putt you can aim anywhere between 7-8 cups wide with a dead-weight pace or 2.5-3 cups with a firmer pace. Hippy uses maths in his putting and his long putt stat, as awesome as it is, is <40%, meaning he misses nearly two thirds of putts longer than 10ft. Hardly the devastating secret method some seem to think it is! Conversely, someone watching my twitch vids would probably assume from the speed of my play, especially my putting, that I "freestyle" and thus have some kind of putting "talent" or that I just somehow "see" the break better, but they'd be totally wrong because it actually comes from hours of systematic practice on the putting green with different speeds to develop a sense of how the pace determines the break. Even wind-clicking as I've explained before is only a method to give you your bearings, and it only helps if your estimations themselves are correct. I think people have this bizarre notion that using maths is some kind of hardcore nerd method to getting the secret answer in this game, when at best all it does is reduce error by a bit by being more methodical. Every single player in this game uses maths since it underlies every single aspect of the game, the only difference is whether it's used implicitly or explicitly. Can you imagine someone saying "urgh, can't believe people who use the wind meter reading or the elevation reading to decide how many clubs to move up or down, they must have a miserable life " lol, it's an absurd way to think.
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Apr 21, 2019 0:25:08 GMT -5
Congrats blueorfe (Brad) VWP Buddy Well Played all Top Tenner's
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Post by hippystein on Apr 21, 2019 3:25:09 GMT -5
Watched your vid larry and id love to show you mine cos you are wide of the mark dude compared to my method. You say 40% but when you compare the number of putts i have outside of 20ft-30ft compared to most the others on tour i still have the highest % of long putts per putts made as my proximity to hole is greater than most. Beads mean absolutely nothing on this game at all. Especially speed of beads. Distance is determined more by cursor than the stroke and when you count your back swing that has a flaw in you can pull your stick back at different speeds. The one putt percentage is the biggest thing on this game with putting. I could hit 4 par 5s in two and leave myself really long putts as i usually do and i lag it up for the birdie thus affecting the long putt % considerably. If your greens in reg % is solid and you one putt % is good you shoot good. Putting is a personal thing tho and although ive shown selected few my method it still has a personal element to it as peoples clicks and perception of what break is is personal to them but the theory behind how you work it out stays the same and its the practice of the method that makes you can more putts. If you get the pace right you can more putts. Hitting it harder makes the hole smaller and the hole less receptive to the ball going in. Some putts warrant being hit firm as you need them to hold the line but others need more finesse. Perfect pace is more important than all else as you get a bigger margin for error. Well played brad this week. My putting was poor this week and it cost me again. I moaned about joes green speeds being 180 and looking back its me not practicing the greens before i went out and played as some green speeds just need tweaking by a couple of clicks. Good luck all playing the buck this week.i havent played it yet ๐๐๐ Im getting all tgc rounds done early as im off to portugal tuesday. Have fun!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 4:22:48 GMT -5
Watched your vid larry and id love to show you mine cos you are wide of the mark dude compared to my method. You say 40% but when you compare the number of putts i have outside of 20ft-30ft compared to most the others on tour i still have the highest % of long putts per putts made as my proximity to hole is greater than most. Anything near 40% long putts is absolutely feckin spectacular, so believe me that wasn't a diss against you I was just saying even at the very top level of putting in this game, you can miss nearly 2/3s, in other words there's no secret to nailing every putt, which some probably think as soon as they hear maths or clicks with putting. My technique is wildly different to yours I agree, yet it works really well for me. Again just shows that there's a lot of complexity in putting, so people complaining about other players using a deliberate method, rather than just 'having fun' gripping and ripping (as god intended they'd probably say lol), is completely misguided.
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Post by GW_Hope on Apr 21, 2019 12:03:33 GMT -5
I use clicks for wind and for putting but also freestyle. Low winds and short putts I use clicks. High wind and long putts I freestyle. But Iโm a medium so donโt listen to me. Even with clicks there is still some freestyle adjustments. Itโs only to get the ballpark then adjust by feel from there.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Apr 21, 2019 13:16:10 GMT -5
I donโt even know how to click for putting. Such a noob.
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Post by GW_Hope on Apr 21, 2019 13:53:48 GMT -5
I donโt even know how to click for putting. Such a noob. Itโs an art to itself. There is nothing definite about a click. The clicks themselves can vary in distance depending how quickly you press the D-pad. Like I said, just a ballpark adjustment but needs feels to dial it in. I can freestyle just fine but many putts deceive my instinct and the click method reads the green true compared to strange visuals on occasion. As far as wind clicks, on low wind under 10 they are easier for me in 2019, in tgc2 it was all feel but the Aim marker was easier to adjust. The circle confuses me. But if you relied on clicks alone they will get you into trouble, too many variables that take feel.
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Post by Generic_Casual on Apr 21, 2019 17:20:36 GMT -5
Click putting? I use an actual mathematical equation involving fractions to putt.
How about THAT??!?
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EDIT: I'm also a wind clicker. Always have been. ๐๐
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Post by flyingj75 on Apr 21, 2019 18:19:00 GMT -5
โ๏ธI literally keep my phone calculator next to me for putting. I practice rounds just by the look and I practce using a counting click method, the latter works best FOR ME. I appreciate the different methods, but I will say when playing with ghosts of most of the better players (which I thoroughly enjoy) I would lay my money on Hippystein, best putter I have witnessed.
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