wmr5277
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Post by wmr5277 on Apr 17, 2019 9:51:17 GMT -5
Larry - I've seen that term used before...."wind-clicker".... Can u or someone explain what that is? May mean different things to others, but to me it just means counting individual pad movements left and right to account for wind, rather than for example looking at a general spot in front of you. But it's 'garbage-in, garbage-out', so if your estimations are wrong, it makes no difference if you click or if you just yolo-scroll to a spot based on feel. The only benefit I get from it is when testing out different winds it gave me something resembling a measurable, consistent basis from which to improve my estimates. It's not even remotely foolproof, as the wind can often change (diagonal winds are the worst for that when above 15mph), and things are really complex due to loft, different clubs, facing vs following wind and how all these combine together. I don't think it's even possible to master wind in this game because of the variance and interaction of all these variables. All clicking does for me is give me a frame of reference that I can work with rather than relying on a general view of what's in front of me. I know a bunch of top players just count grid boxes on approach shots and pick their spot with the scout cam, but I've never bothered with that, especially for high winds you usually run out of green to work with to find the right spot. So for me the click counting method (combined with noting the general effects of differences in direction, speed, loft blah blah etc.) puts me in about the right zone most of the time. Interesting perspective. With u explaining it; I don't really see why that method would be shunned upon. It's no different than using a lot of add/de loft imo. You're just playing the game. I don't use any formulas on any part of the game. I've played it enough where I know what works and what doesn't thru feel. However, I've never understood why formulas r so frowned upon tho.
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Post by GW_Hope on Apr 17, 2019 10:10:29 GMT -5
I might have a defective PS4. Tempo is not easy for me. Some days it’s on others not so much.
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wmr5277
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 226
TGCT Name: Vitaly Potapenko
Tour: PGA
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Post by wmr5277 on Apr 17, 2019 10:24:20 GMT -5
I might have a defective PS4. Tempo is not easy for me. Some days it’s on others not so much. I'm with u there sir. Seeing posts over time; while I do believe that ps4 is definitely easier for tempo...for people to say that it's not possible for ps4 players to struggle with tempo is complete lunacy. Very rarely will I have a round where tempo isn't at least a mini-struggle. Tempo will always cost me at least 1 shot a round. Usually many more. For me I struggle with tempo a lot more on the shorter shots. Not many things more frustrating than playing on low winds...pin in middle....level lie....120 yards in FW...knowing if I get perfect-perfect I am hitting it within 6 feet 95% of the time... Only to get a random fast downswing...having it end up 22 feet away. 4 feet of break. Burning edge on putt and losing 0.8 strokes on top half of field on that one hole. While I do think the GIR stat is important. It's examples like above that make it a bit flawed imo.
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Post by mrohde4 on Apr 17, 2019 13:04:30 GMT -5
I might have a defective PS4. Tempo is not easy for me. Some days it’s on others not so much. I'm with u there sir. Seeing posts over time; while I do believe that ps4 is definitely easier for tempo...for people to say that it's not possible for ps4 players to struggle with tempo is complete lunacy. Very rarely will I have a round where tempo isn't at least a mini-struggle. Tempo will always cost me at least 1 shot a round. Usually many more. For me I struggle with tempo a lot more on the shorter shots. Not many things more frustrating than playing on low winds...pin in middle....level lie....120 yards in FW...knowing if I get perfect-perfect I am hitting it within 6 feet 95% of the time... Only to get a random fast downswing...having it end up 22 feet away. 4 feet of break. Burning edge on putt and losing 0.8 strokes on top half of field on that one hole. While I do think the GIR stat is important. It's examples like above that make it a bit flawed imo. So accurate. Equally frustrating is an approach with a scoring club and the downswing line is off center slightly (full line of course 😉) which takes the ball 5 boxes off line. What is a 5-10 footer for most turns into a 20-25 footer with much less chance of converting birdie. Par then feels like bogey.
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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 17, 2019 14:50:36 GMT -5
Flick your putts mate. I found that early doors, which then led me to see if the putt swing worked with the full swing, which it did, then that was API alert worthy during tests so I went back to a full swing. .... I see the admins have season-banned 2 straight-putters in the past few weeks... Really? I knew about the first one :/
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 17, 2019 20:57:36 GMT -5
Yeah second one. Basically the lesson is if you know you are shooting too straight cause you get pulled by the API, don't go around trying to play games and try to play the game, "Hey I can try and disguise my super straight shots, no one will know and I'll pass the API!" All shots are recorded. Don't try to play around the rules because 1. That is just wrong and 2. you'll get caught eventually. Season bans with only a 'possibility' you'll get in the next season is quite harsh but it shows that the admins aren't playing games.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 23:04:20 GMT -5
Season bans with only a 'possibility' you'll get in the next season is quite harsh but it shows that the admins aren't playing games. Not even harsh imo, because there's the mens rea factor with the guys who have normal deviation for all shots but then zero deviation on putts. That unequivocally proves deliberate intention for wrongdoing, whereas someone who's consistently straight for all shots will have those rounds pulled but can at least be given the benefit of the doubt in terms of deliberate intentions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 23:46:27 GMT -5
For the PS4 players saying they too struggle with tempo, I'm sure you do, I've never said it's guaranteed, but PS4 struggles are absolutely minuscule compared to the other platforms, that's the real point here. I can say that with confidence since my switch because it truly is night and day. What you consider to be a bad tempo round, where you'd probably assume it was down to lag or HB servers or Pablo or any number of other issues for that "disaster", would be a good tempo round for the vast majority of PC and XB1 players. TGCT is simply not a level playing field because of this, I know as PS4 players (of which I am one now lol) that's not something you want to hear, but it's a fact. There are exceptions, e.g. Justin who plays PC with a DS4 (the only PC player who does in PGA I think), but I'm talking about for the vast majority of players, it's truly broken for multi-platform competition.
I am NOT saying it's objectively easy on PS4 (I've said repeatedly that knowledge is relatively more important for scoring than execution), I'm saying it's much, much easier than for the other 2 platforms, and I guarantee you would agree if you tried out the other platforms. And the difference to scoring in my view utterly eclipses that from straight shooting, because bad tempo shots are so much more punishing - if you leave yourself a 25ft putt rather than a 5ft putt because a wonky approach swing, you might still have a half-decent chance of a birdie putt, but with a bad tempo you're way off the green and struggling to scramble pretty much every time, notwithstanding an absolute miracle chip or flop in. And again I can say that with confidence because my DS4 lines are horrendous compared to my PC lines, but the easier tempo means my proximity to the hole stat is lower than on PC.
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Post by mrohde4 on Apr 18, 2019 7:27:15 GMT -5
Season bans with only a 'possibility' you'll get in the next season is quite harsh but it shows that the admins aren't playing games. Not even harsh imo, because there's the mens rea factor with the guys who have normal deviation for all shots but then zero deviation on putts. That unequivocally proves deliberate intention for wrongdoing, whereas someone who's consistently straight for all shots will have those rounds pulled but can at least be given the benefit of the doubt in terms of deliberate intentions. What about players with multiple pulls that continue to use a technique that’s known to produce results that fail the API? No mens rea with them?
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Apr 18, 2019 7:44:31 GMT -5
After a pretty poor opening round -5 had a great front 9 in Round 2 where I had 7 birdies in 8 holes and then cooled off to finish a bogey free -9. Happy to make the cut this week and be back after my 2 week ban from the forums.
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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 18, 2019 7:58:29 GMT -5
For the PS4 players saying they too struggle with tempo, I'm sure you do, I've never said it's guaranteed, but PS4 struggles are absolutely minuscule compared to the other platforms, that's the real point here. I can say that with confidence since my switch because it truly is night and day. What you consider to be a bad tempo round, where you'd probably assume it was down to lag or HB servers or Pablo or any number of other issues for that "disaster", would be a good tempo round for the vast majority of PC and XB1 players. TGCT is simply not a level playing field because of this, I know as PS4 players (of which I am one now lol) that's not something you want to hear, but it's a fact. There are exceptions, e.g. Justin who plays PC with a DS4 (the only PC player who does in PGA I think), but I'm talking about for the vast majority of players, it's truly broken for multi-platform competition. I am NOT saying it's objectively easy on PS4 (I've said repeatedly that knowledge is relatively more important for scoring than execution), I'm saying it's much, much eas ier than for the other 2 platforms, and I guarantee you would agree if you tried out the other platforms. And the difference to scoring in my view utterly eclipses that from straight shooting, because bad tempo shots are so much more punishing - if you leave yourself a 25ft putt rather than a 5ft putt because a wonky approach swing, you might still have a half-decent chance of a birdie putt, but with a bad tempo you're way off the green and struggling to scramble pretty much every time, notwithstanding an absolute miracle chip or flop in. And again I can say that with confidence because my DS4 lines are horrendous compared to my PC lines, but the easier tempo means my proximity to the hole stat is lower than on PC. Wait till your pad wears in mate. New DS4s are insanely easy to use. Once there’s a bit of slog in the mechanism tempo can waver a bit
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 7:59:08 GMT -5
Not even harsh imo, because there's the mens rea factor with the guys who have normal deviation for all shots but then zero deviation on putts. That unequivocally proves deliberate intention for wrongdoing, whereas someone who's consistently straight for all shots will have those rounds pulled but can at least be given the benefit of the doubt in terms of deliberate intentions. What about players with multiple pulls that continue to use a technique that’s known to produce results that fail the API? No mens rea with them? Way harder to prove malicious intent when it's a legit controller and an HB-approved method for swinging, so you can only speculate if those players actually think they're doing wrong when they do it. You can't really compare that to someone who switches devices / activates a script to get zero deviation shots for a consistent pattern (in the cases I mentioned, those were for putts), that's a situation where there's no doubt that they're deliberately seeking to break the rules. My guess would be that most short swingers don't think they're doing anything wrong at all, which is a pretty important element of malicious intent! For what it's worth I do think there needs to be something like a 3 strikes rule for api pulls, regardless of any assumed 'intent'.
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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 18, 2019 7:59:26 GMT -5
After a pretty poor opening round -5 had a great front 9 in Round 2 where I had 7 birdies in 8 holes and then cooled off to finish a bogey free -9. Happy to make the cut this week and be back after my 2 week ban from the forums. Welcome home! Didn’t realise you’d been on holiday Tim.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 8:02:01 GMT -5
Wait till your pad wears in mate. New DS4s are insanely easy to use. Once there’s a bit of slog in the mechanism tempo can waver a bit I'll be on the lookout for it
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Apr 18, 2019 8:30:44 GMT -5
After a pretty poor opening round -5 had a great front 9 in Round 2 where I had 7 birdies in 8 holes and then cooled off to finish a bogey free -9. Happy to make the cut this week and be back after my 2 week ban from the forums. Welcome home! Didn’t realise you’d been on holiday Tim. I will be sure not to talk about Catfish anymore
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