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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 10, 2019 2:06:19 GMT -5
Is Bob Loblaw a short swinger? I wondered the same. I thought not, but ant recall ever seeing footage of Bob play with swing feedback
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 10, 2019 2:09:18 GMT -5
Using stats to help disqualify is pretty silly, IMO. I get what you are going for, but it is pretty flawed logic. Someone can play safe off of the tee like I do for the most part and get really high FIR all the time. Is that now disqualifying? I purposely play to avoid rough almost all the time AND to play for a full wedge shot and not to leave pitches at all and to minimize flops when possible. I will see a 340, 350, 360 yard par 4 and hit a 2 iron off of the tee without even thinking about it. Only if I think I can get on the green AND have a reasonable chance to make the putt will I try to go driver on a short par 4. This also helps my FIR along with laying back with a wood more often than others. I have a shorter driving average than many, so this can be "seen" in the stats as well.
Hitting too many GIRs or having a too short of a shortest putt stat can help to DQ someone? C'mon, really? . The only stat that I think should be considered for fair play is not a golfing stat but a controller one: tempo on approach shots. I mentioned this a few times but weirdly it never gained any traction because it's by far the most devastatingly unfair advantage in the game - almost since TGC19 came out there's been a perfect tempo script available and in terms of scoring it's the giant, stomping, pooping elephant in the room. All this talk about less deviation due to a short swing when being a couple of boxes offline still gives you a birdie chance with a great putt, especially if you've nailed the distance which everybody seems to forget is half the equation in getting close, often more than half depending on the green slopes. But a bad tempo on approach is a dropped stroke 99% of the time notwithstanding a miracle chip or flop. The only time I can remember having a round with no bad tempos this season was on TST and I scored a ridiculous -13 for that round. If someone gets 100% perfect tempo on their green approach shots for all 4 rounds, I think some investigation is needed because that's definitely inhuman. I have no idea if the API shows precise tempo data but that would be all you'd need to confirm, as from the video I saw of that perfect tempo script, the arrows end up in the exact same place every single time and no human can ever reproduce results like that (as HB have confirmed tempo is measured in thousandths of a second). Edit: nice illustrative example here, just played a practice round on Sawgrass, played extremely well (including 69% long putts!) and only had 4-5 bad tempos - 2 of those were on approaches, I wonder if you can guess which holes those wonky tempos were on (2 toughest holes no doubt, but I'm 100% certain I would have made par at worst if I had perfect tempo on those approaches): Yup... and imagine how many more chips you could make with the same downswing tempo all day long 😳
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 2:18:54 GMT -5
Yup... and imagine how many more chips you could make with the same downswing tempo all day long 😳 yeah good point it's not just approaches, short game tempo is super sensitive and messing up chip / flop tempos can be absolute killers.
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Post by rob4590 on Mar 10, 2019 3:57:32 GMT -5
Sorry Larry - but that would be a totally pointless stat (the perfect tempo one).
Why?
1) I have a distance gap in my bag between 5i and 3i - so when I get a distance of say 213 yards to go (just below the 3i distance), I regularly use F/F 5i to bump up that distance (along with a bit of deloft etc) - so even if I was swinging exactly as I intend (tempo wise), I'd register as less than 100% P/P nearly every round. Same goes for the 275 yard approach to a par 5 - 2w F/F - jobs a good un!
2) If there is this P/P script - then it is surely really simple for someone to create a similar P/F or P/S script too - so that the player switches between them and would never register the 'illegal' 100% tempo with the API. Once you know how far those 'off tempo' approaches go, you simply dial those in exactly the same as the P/P.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 4:27:53 GMT -5
Sorry Larry - but that would be a totally pointless stat (the perfect tempo one). Why? 1) I have a distance gap in my bag between 5i and 3i - so when I get a distance of say 213 yards to go (just below the 3i distance), I regularly use F/F 5i to bump up that distance (along with a bit of deloft etc) - so even if I was swinging exactly as I intend (tempo wise), I'd register as less than 100% P/P nearly every round. Same goes for the 275 yard approach to a par 5 - 2w F/F - jobs a good un! 2) If there is this P/P script - then it is surely really simple for someone to create a similar P/F or P/S script too - so that the player switches between them and would never register the 'illegal' 100% tempo with the API. Once you know how far those 'off tempo' approaches go, you simply dial those in exactly the same as the P/P. My point about the perfect tempo script is that outlier tempo stats should be used to investigate, rather than being the actual info by which to pull someone. I'm guessing you haven't seen the dlw video of this tempo script in action, but it's insane, exact same arrow positions every shot which should be easily spottable if HB records the timing data (which they surely must as it's needed to decide if it's fast, slow or perfect) - my suggestion was that tempo stats in an event should be used as an alert to check these numbers, rather than the actual basis for pulling anyone. The second bit above is the same argument about 'in the cone' scripts, yeah in theory they could make a few miss the cone at times but that doesn't mean it's not policeable as there are always calling card clues when bot rather than human input is used, and plenty of scripters have been caught and pulled. And with that logic why even have a fair play policy at all since someone can just reprogram a script to do whatever they want! I know you feel strongly about straight shooters which I agree with, but perfect tempo-ers are far more nefarious in my view because the advantage is so much stronger.
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 10, 2019 10:11:55 GMT -5
Sooo... not really sure whether to congratulate Bob and say unlucky again to yesterday’s Special Star Prize winner Scott, or what...
What happens with Steve’s rounds??
#confused.com
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 10:33:53 GMT -5
I feel for Steve if nothing can get sorted.
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Post by staypuft39 on Mar 10, 2019 10:51:34 GMT -5
Sooo... not really sure whether to congratulate Bob and say unlucky again to yesterday’s Special Star Prize winner Scott, or what... What happens with Steve’s rounds?? #confused.com If the game messes up, nothing you can do. Had my TST rounds get mucked up last week after the servers gave me a bogey on a par, then didn't record the last 2 rounds. These things happen. Absolutely no way to re-create the 4th round for Sloaner, no matter how Canadian he is 😁
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Post by Cyclerob on Mar 10, 2019 12:21:43 GMT -5
Is Bob Loblaw a short swinger? I wondered the same. I thought not, but ant recall ever seeing footage of Bob play with swing feedback Search for "looper4life" on Youtube... There's a few rounds where he's the host and you see his swing feedback... It'll give you an idea how he swings. Btw, I've played 10-15 rounds with/against him... and the thing that stands out is that he's a superior putter... knows his stuff and can explain how he goes about it. I think that he teaches/caddies in real life... Anyways, super nice fellow!
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