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Post by yeltzman on Mar 11, 2019 12:54:06 GMT -5
Yep good spot on my grammar why i failed English at school. On the same subject Links 2003 over 15 years old,same sort of game as perfect golf but decent as well.they were decent on links 2004 on xbox as well.
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Post by linkslover on Mar 12, 2019 2:51:15 GMT -5
This makes it more infuriating that we can't have pot bunkers in TGC when a game made 16 years ago has fantastic looking pot bunkers for the technology available at the time.
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Post by yeltzman on Mar 14, 2019 5:10:53 GMT -5
More Pot Bunker changes from Mackenzie & Ebert at RSG..... From... to
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acesgalore
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Post by acesgalore on Mar 14, 2019 5:20:57 GMT -5
I know the rugged bunkers are very much in fashion right now but for me the bunkers with riveting are a defining feature of UK links golf.
With the rugged bunkers I wouldn't be able to tell you where in the world that course is. The only thing I could say for certain is that they were put in recently.
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Post by linkslover on Mar 14, 2019 7:55:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure how to take the change to rugged bunkers yet. The rugged bunkers were links golf in years gone by when the knowledge/equipment wasn't there to make the riveted pot bunkers that very much characterise links courses today. Going back to rugged bunkers is turning the clock back 100+ years.
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Post by deano689908 on Mar 21, 2019 12:07:21 GMT -5
Personally I go with mostly circles for the shape using the spline so you don't get that daft rough grass edging around them I prefer placing them in the fairway so the ball rolls around the fairway and rolls into the bunkers and I do this by using flatten tool and go around the outside of the bunker with the circle and lower it slightly between half a foot and a foot.
I then make the circle smaller so it sits right in the middle of the bunker and leave about a foot or more distance between the circle and the outside edge and then lower it the circle by 2 feet or more to create that deep pot effect.
You should have the outer edges in the bunker sloping gradually towards the middle and the middle being flat. As close as you can get to a traditional pot bunker on a decent links course in my opinion.
If you don't want the pure round pot where all of it goes below ground bunker where you go for the ball going around the edges of the bunkers and rolling in like a trap. Then use the raise tool and lift the front of the bunker so it's higher.
They really do vary depending on the course and hole I find. Living in the North West of England and playing all the courses of round Southport and Lytham and several wales and Scotland links courses they really are some of my favourite courses around.
What's gutting is playing some of these great RCR links courses like royal lytham st Anne's and playing in meek barely deep bunkers. That are sculpted shallow. It's completely pointless having them.
My sculpting technique may not be the perfect way but I feel it favours a more vertical straight down deep "POT" bunker than some shallow municipal thing im seeing that toally destroys the whole purpose to an RCR links course.
Royal lytham has the most bunkers than any links championship links course and none of them on this game are a threat at all.
I sculpted a course I was pretty proud of and fair enough they said it was more of a fantasy course which I'll accept. But my bunkers got criticised for being too deep! I practiced every single one to make sure they were escapable but they still need to be a challenge.
Can't blast driver into a links fairway bunker and expect to get a 3 iron out of it. That's ridiculous! The lip has got to be high surely? That's the penalty!
Only my opinion. If anyone has any better ways to do them I'd love to know. Can't obviously get the famous turfed rivets up the face of them. But we can still get somewhat the general shape. Can't we?
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Post by yeltzman on Mar 21, 2019 13:34:48 GMT -5
Let me begin by saying there has been no bigger critic of the pot bunkers in the TGC brand than me,But i am just going to defend my version of Lytham (2k20),From the above poster.In tgc 2019 I like to use spline bunkering so the ball runs into the bunker instead of sticking on the light rough.2 problems with this in places bunkers are roughly there 6 to 8 yards in size and the deepest bunker is on the 8th green which is about 8 foot below the green.My version its about 7 foot below to middle of bunker when i took it down further the blending of the green would also move and as you can see below with the green grid because its riveted in real life its the best you can do.So if you want to do size of bunker correct and position you have to compromise somewhere.its just my preference i like to have bunker in exact position and size than make something which is fake in size.The bigger the pot bunker the easier it is to give depth. Some of the fairway bunkers close to the railway are a bit shallow its because its really a TGC1 course been worked on for many years and the water table from 1st game was used to generate water feature.I tried to higher the land slightly near it but every time it effected the railway tracks and i was not doing them again.I 100% agree with you the way pot bunkers are in this game are all wrong,but i only really enjoy links courses so its a pain i have to suffer.I think if you ever made a real links course with size of bunkers and position of them you might have a different view but you should really blame the game makers not the designer of the course.Saying all that i know i made it but its my favourite course in the game because i play it with different wind conditions every time and each round its a different test but its why TGC brand is so good,if you dont like something there is 100s others for you to enjoy. Just for my piece of mind checked out your latest bunkers on the last course you released and i have to say i do not see much difference from yours to mine i think the only thing we do agree on Pot bunkers could be so much better.
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Post by deano689908 on Mar 21, 2019 15:03:21 GMT -5
Let me begin by saying there has been no bigger critic of the pot bunkers in the TGC brand than me,But i am just going to defend my version of Lytham (2k20),From the above poster.In tgc 2019 I like to use spline bunkering so the ball runs into the bunker instead of sticking on the light rough.2 problems with this in places bunkers are roughly there 6 to 8 yards in size and the deepest bunker is on the 8th green which is about 8 foot below the green.My version its about 7 foot below to middle of bunker when i took it down further the blending of the green would also move and as you can see below with the green grid because its riveted in real life its the best you can do.So if you want to do size of bunker correct and position you have to compromise somewhere.its just my preference i like to have bunker in exact position and size than make something which is fake in size.The bigger the pot bunker the easier it is to give depth. Some of the fairway bunkers close to the railway are a bit shallow its because its really a TGC1 course been worked on for many years and the water table from 1st game was used to generate water feature.I tried to higher the land slightly near it but every time it effected the railway tracks and i was not doing them again.I 100% agree with you the way pot bunkers are in this game are all wrong,but i only really enjoy links courses so its a pain i have to suffer.I think if you ever made a real links course with size of bunkers and position of them you might have a different view but you should really blame the game makers not the designer of the course.Saying all that i know i made it but its my favourite course in the game because i play it with different wind conditions every time and each round its a different test but its why TGC brand is so good,if you dont like something there is 100s others for you to enjoy. Just for my piece of mind checked out your latest bunkers on the last course you released and i have to say i do not see much difference from yours to mine i think the only thing we do agree on Pot bunkers could be so much better. Firstly you can 100% defend your course if it was you who did Lytham because I thought it was fantastic. I remember playing it talking it over with a mate how good and accurate it was as we've both played it several times as well as viewed many an open there 1st one being 1996 watching an amateur Tiger woods and Faldo and Tom Lehman battling it out. Its amazing seeing something so realistic on a video game that ive seen in real life. Kudos to you. I was just a little gutted that they wasn't a little more vertical and i felt there was too many that were fairly shallow around the greens. My favourite course I made God's Links tour I tried to make the bunkers as close in my mind to what I felt a pot bunker was like or should I say play like than look like. I posted it and another course and just got told that basically my bunkers are sh1t. Fair enough i understand my course my not be as realistic and took the criticism. Since then I tried to find a halfway house and used the spline more too. I love the look the splines have without that silly rough border but yeah they are harder to create small decent looking deep bunkers. I felt I've tried to still get them fairly close in some and others yeah they don't look as good as they could. I dunno it's just my opinion. Sorry for offending you as reading my post back I guess it does look a bit like that and it wasn't my intention when writing it. It was more writing it in criticism of the pot bunkers that we are forced to create as you agreed with when you ended your reply. So again sorry for any offence it wasn't meant to be written that way and was just offering my way of doing them and to be honest was actually hopeful of some advice of a way of doing them better that would benefit me if anyone has ideas. My courses aren't as likely to make any TGC tours courses as many of you so I'm open to criticism and want to improve.
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Post by linkslover on Mar 22, 2019 2:58:02 GMT -5
They really do vary depending on the course and hole I find. Living in the North West of England and playing all the courses of round Southport and Lytham and several wales and Scotland links courses they really are some of my favourite courses around. Ignoring Scotland as I've never played up there, which are your favourite links? Out of the ones I've played on the England Golf Coast and North Wales mine are Wallasey, Hesketh, Hillside, Conwy and Royal St Davids. That's about half of the ones I've played. Nefyn & District is a breathtaking course, but I wouldn't say it's a true links.
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Post by yeltzman on Mar 22, 2019 4:03:36 GMT -5
Don't mind anybody having a opinion,just defending the way they are how the designer is.It's just not links courses in this game if you are trying to place a bunker close to a green on a real course you just can't do it correct without it either effecting the green or the bunker not having a lip(splines).No idea if your at the HB forum but i have been on to HB since TGC1 about bunkers,but understand there explanation why there like it.I did look at God's country and your bunkers around the green are deep yes,but also there very big compared to a proper green side pot bunker even then you still have red lines from the green into them(i used picture from your latest course for a example concerning splines).There is nothing more frustrating to me then not having pot bunkers in a golf game.Its why i have not designed a course from scratch in tgc 2019 if you don't have the tools you can't really do the course justice.In the end you design how you want to,there is no right and wrong about it,and if other players like course its just a bonus.
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Post by acesgalore on Mar 22, 2019 4:56:57 GMT -5
They really do vary depending on the course and hole I find. Living in the North West of England and playing all the courses of round Southport and Lytham and several wales and Scotland links courses they really are some of my favourite courses around. Ignoring Scotland as I've never played up there, which are your favourite links? Out of the ones I've played on the England Golf Coast and North Wales mine are Wallasey, Hesketh, Hillside, Conwy and Royal St Davids. That's about half of the ones I've played. Nefyn & District is a breathtaking course, but I wouldn't say it's a true links. I did a long weekend in Llandudno and played Conwy, North Wales and Maesdu. Conwy was great and deserves it's championship status but I think North Wales was my favourite. The back to back 16th and 17th par 3s were amazing as we had a party of 8 and it created a real stadium atmosphere in the dunes.
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Post by linkslover on Mar 22, 2019 7:16:53 GMT -5
I've played North Wales. The course is a bit mediocre for the first 7 or so holes but then really picks up from the 8th with the blind tee shot. Those two par 3s are brilliant. Really well designed. The 18th as a finisher is disappointing though, rather bland.
I've not played Maesdu though I've heard good things about it.
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Post by deano689908 on Mar 22, 2019 10:14:34 GMT -5
They really do vary depending on the course and hole I find. Living in the North West of England and playing all the courses of round Southport and Lytham and several wales and Scotland links courses they really are some of my favourite courses around. Ignoring Scotland as I've never played up there, which are your favourite links? Out of the ones I've played on the England Golf Coast and North Wales mine are Wallasey, Hesketh, Hillside, Conwy and Royal St Davids. That's about half of the ones I've played. Nefyn & District is a breathtaking course, but I wouldn't say it's a true links. I live near Wigan and st Helens. Which is right between Manchester and Liverpool. Great road network to get around so many great places. Hillside everyone says is the best of them all around southport area. Especially the back 9. I did enjoy Birkdale and the huge dunes and vast land. Southport and ainsdale is nice and has a few quirky holes by the railway with the giant bunker. Formby I've never played but the ladies course I played last week and is decent and a nice short course running through the middle of Formby very hospitable unlike Formby's rep. It's not a patch on Formby or hillside though obviously. Conway I've played a few times and is great fun. Boy what a tough hole 16 is. Really narrow all gorse both sides. Prestatyn is a good links. Royal lytham i really enjoyed and lytham at Anne's is not far behind it. I can't ignore Scotland though as my favourite ever is probably Turnberry in its original form when I played back in 2001. Never played it since. This is up there with Skibo castle but I'm not 100% sure it's pure links but my god WHAT A course and place. If you ever get the chance. Type in Skibo castle save cash and try and play there. At the very top of Scotland amazing place. Before you think I'm some kind of rich snob show off. I had the fortunate time of playing on a national junior golf tour when I was younger some of the best golf and times of my life. These days I've played a few but not as many I'd like. Think Turnberry is my favourite and around here I'd have to say Hillside.
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Post by andyf on Mar 22, 2019 10:19:19 GMT -5
It's a small world as I'm from Warrington so not a million miles away from you.
If you can get in the Liverpool Alliance then they play quite a few comps on the likes of St Annes, West Lancs, Formby etc.
Andy
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Post by deano689908 on Mar 22, 2019 12:02:04 GMT -5
Play off 3 easily go between that and 4 though with work commitments. Play at Ashton-in-Makerfield golf course near Haydock park racecourse.
Think 4 hcp is probably on the edge of the ballot for some of those comps ain't it. Very high standard. I'm decent at my club but whereas when younger I used to be decent anywhere. I'm probably at times a 5 or 6 when playing away at some away courses. Used to hold my own well.
Think it's the driving. It's not good enough when away. Then there's obviously putting on different greens which can hit you hard at times.
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