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Post by SloanerTW on Feb 18, 2019 21:09:27 GMT -5
^^ Confirmed, this is 100% my fault guys. Everyone has to play it so it doesn't really matter what the conditions are. No need to be blamed for anything.
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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 18, 2019 22:47:39 GMT -5
^^ Confirmed, this is 100% my fault guys. Everyone has to play it so it doesn't really matter what the conditions are. No need to be blamed for anything. Fair enough, but can we at least blame pablo?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 0:51:09 GMT -5
Alright gents, I'm learning something very important here, and it needs to be thrown out there because as I ponder through the development of this project, I can't allow Dale to take the blame for this at all. The scheduler asked me for my idea of possible conditions per round, including wind speed and direction, green firmness and speed, etc. and I replied with a full list of conditions I had tested out for PGA play. I don't think we actually used "slow" as a condition on any of the greens if I recall, but apparently the "categories" are relative maybe? In other words, with my greens set to 187 in the designer, maybe when we choose "moderate" green speed it's bringing it down to 144, where in my mind I was thinking that was more in the 163 range, but apparently not. Dale and I NEVER talked about making the greens a specific number, so we never talked about putting them at 144 to make it brutal or anything like that. I think this was an honest mistake made by ME now that I'm seeing how this is playing out. And the only explanation I can come up with is that the word "moderate" on a course where the greens are 187 in the designer, actually means 144 on the meter. UGH! I take every bit of responsibility for this if you guys are hating the green speeds, because the scheduler asked me what to put the conditions at, and I made incorrect assumptions on the actual values that would hit the course based on the vague word description. I definitely apologize, and I will know for next time to be more specific with my testing so that I'm talking numbers instead of categories. As Doyley confirmed, 144 is moderate not slow, there is literally nothing whatsoever wrong with mixing things up imo, and I think it should be done more often provided an increase doesn't result in yellow slopes around the pin. As PGA players we should be able to adapt, the scores are showing it clearly hasn't been that difficult to deal with lol Nothing to apologise for, don't listen to the Militant 187 Cult's propaganda!
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Post by jacquesy123 on Feb 19, 2019 2:06:35 GMT -5
Kind of wish I was inside top 50 played this one just for laughs and played really well maybe a top 15 but it doesn’t matter
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 2:19:55 GMT -5
Alright gents, I'm learning something very important here, and it needs to be thrown out there because as I ponder through the development of this project, I can't allow Dale to take the blame for this at all. The scheduler asked me for my idea of possible conditions per round, including wind speed and direction, green firmness and speed, etc. and I replied with a full list of conditions I had tested out for PGA play. I don't think we actually used "slow" as a condition on any of the greens if I recall, but apparently the "categories" are relative maybe? In other words, with my greens set to 187 in the designer, maybe when we choose "moderate" green speed it's bringing it down to 144, where in my mind I was thinking that was more in the 163 range, but apparently not. Dale and I NEVER talked about making the greens a specific number, so we never talked about putting them at 144 to make it brutal or anything like that. I think this was an honest mistake made by ME now that I'm seeing how this is playing out. And the only explanation I can come up with is that the word "moderate" on a course where the greens are 187 in the designer, actually means 144 on the meter. UGH! I take every bit of responsibility for this if you guys are hating the green speeds, because the scheduler asked me what to put the conditions at, and I made incorrect assumptions on the actual values that would hit the course based on the vague word description. I definitely apologize, and I will know for next time to be more specific with my testing so that I'm talking numbers instead of categories. As Doyley confirmed, 144 is moderate not slow, there is literally nothing whatsoever wrong with mixing things up imo, and I think it should be done more often provided an increase doesn't result in yellow slopes around the pin. As PGA players we should be able to adapt, the scores are showing it clearly hasn't been that difficult to deal with lol Nothing to apologise for, don't listen to the Militant 187 Cult's propaganda! I'm with this guy.
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Post by Dave on Feb 19, 2019 3:03:15 GMT -5
There’s nothing wrong with the greens and the course was very well put together. Unfortunately the putting physics are all @!$#ed up, but that’s HBs problem, not the designers. I have no problem with any green speeds. I do have a problem with the ball not taking any break until it’s 4 feet from the hole and 4 feet right or left of where it should be because it’s hovering like a @!$#ing UFO 😂
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 19, 2019 3:20:37 GMT -5
There’s nothing wrong with the greens and the course was very well put together. Unfortunately the putting physics are all @!$#ed up, but that’s HBs problem, not the designers. I have no problem with any green speeds. I do have a problem with the ball not taking any break until it’s 4 feet from the hole and 4 feet right or left of where it should be because it’s hovering like a @!$#ing UFO 😂 I’m with this guy
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Post by CuseHokie on Feb 19, 2019 5:26:59 GMT -5
Velcro Greens
My putts represented the black ball. Nice down hiller.
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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 19, 2019 6:18:30 GMT -5
There’s nothing wrong with the greens and the course was very well put together. Unfortunately the putting physics are all @!$#ed up, but that’s HBs problem, not the designers. I have no problem with any green speeds. I do have a problem with the ball not taking any break until it’s 4 feet from the hole and 4 feet right or left of where it should be because it’s hovering like a @!$#ing UFO 😂 I’m with this guy Yes, another HB glitch that messes the game up. I’m not sure if it happens more when speeds are changed from default or not but that would make sense. I had zero hover putts in R1 and 4 and a half dozen plus in R2&3. Like Dave says, this isn’t about 144, they are normally easy mode. I get plagued by these on occasion and it’s almost always on 144. At least I’m not alone. I would like to add another valid suggestion to designers. To give your courses more variety it might be best to set default speed to other than the hard coded presets. Say 175 for default or 155 if you like the slower. So if they are set at 175 then we can play 187 and 163 as well for some slight variation. Just a suggestion. As Doyley pointed out at the beginning tgctours.proboards.com/thread/15740/tgc-2019-green-speeds
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Feb 19, 2019 7:32:11 GMT -5
Maybe a couple rounds of very slow next week would teach the complainers to appreciate what they get.
It's funny to me because I putt better on 144 or 187 than the 163 greens. Probably why I am near the top this week. My first few rounds after joining tgctours I struggled to make anything on the 163s, I've gotten better at it with practice and lost a little touch on the other settings now. I think complaining about the setup being velcro when the scores are similar to every other week is not necessary. Just play a couple practice rounds if you need to prepare yourself and adjust your game to atke advantage.
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Post by CuseHokie on Feb 19, 2019 9:06:41 GMT -5
Maybe a couple rounds of very slow next week would teach the complainers to appreciate what they get. It's funny to me because I putt better on 144 or 187 than the 163 greens. Probably why I am near the top this week. My first few rounds after joining tgctours I struggled to make anything on the 163s, I've gotten better at it with practice and lost a little touch on the other settings now. I think complaining about the setup being velcro when the scores are similar to every other week is not necessary. Just play a couple practice rounds if you need to prepare yourself and adjust your game to atke advantage. I putt better on default. Go figure. When are we going to start seeing 112s with some rain? Might as well take this course setup to the max.
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Post by Cyclerob on Feb 19, 2019 10:10:29 GMT -5
Alright gents, I'm learning something very important here, and it needs to be thrown out there because as I ponder through the development of this project, I can't allow Dale to take the blame for this at all. The scheduler asked me for my idea of possible conditions per round, including wind speed and direction, green firmness and speed, etc. and I replied with a full list of conditions I had tested out for PGA play. I don't think we actually used "slow" as a condition on any of the greens if I recall, but apparently the "categories" are relative maybe? In other words, with my greens set to 187 in the designer, maybe when we choose "moderate" green speed it's bringing it down to 144, where in my mind I was thinking that was more in the 163 range, but apparently not. Dale and I NEVER talked about making the greens a specific number, so we never talked about putting them at 144 to make it brutal or anything like that. I think this was an honest mistake made by ME now that I'm seeing how this is playing out. And the only explanation I can come up with is that the word "moderate" on a course where the greens are 187 in the designer, actually means 144 on the meter. UGH! I take every bit of responsibility for this if you guys are hating the green speeds, because the scheduler asked me what to put the conditions at, and I made incorrect assumptions on the actual values that would hit the course based on the vague word description. I definitely apologize, and I will know for next time to be more specific with my testing so that I'm talking numbers instead of categories. Very Fast = 187 Fast = 163 Moderate = 144 Slow = 120? Very Slow = sludge of death Slow= 119 Very Slow= 106
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Feb 19, 2019 10:40:53 GMT -5
Very slow is like chipping onto a plate of mashed potatoes. Lets do it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 10:45:29 GMT -5
I guess that shows you that I never put my greens that low. I had no idea the game even went to 106! Pretty much all of my time in the designer is spent somewhere between 163-187, so I'm a moron and I missed the memo early on I think. What I THOUGHT I was doing was this:
Very Fast = 187 Fast = 174 Moderate = 163 Slow = 155 Very Slow = 144
I don't know where I got those numbers, probably something I made up in my brain one day that I thought was right and then convinced myself that it was. So when I recommended to Dale that one of the rounds be moderate, in my pea-brain I thought I was telling him 163. Very, very sorry guys!
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Post by mrohde4 on Feb 19, 2019 10:56:46 GMT -5
Maybe a couple rounds of very slow next week would teach the complainers to appreciate what they get. It's funny to me because I putt better on 144 or 187 than the 163 greens. Probably why I am near the top this week. My first few rounds after joining tgctours I struggled to make anything on the 163s, I've gotten better at it with practice and lost a little touch on the other settings now. I think complaining about the setup being velcro when the scores are similar to every other week is not necessary. Just play a couple practice rounds if you need to prepare yourself and adjust your game to atke advantage. I'd like to lodge a complaint against this complaint about previous complaints. My opinion: Venturing too far from a designer's default firmness and speed is dangerous because it tends to distort the software physics. However, props to Eric for raising his hand and explaining how this week was formulated. Also, kudos to Dale for reaching out to Eric for his setup thoughts prior to the week. I never realized schedulers took the time. Pretty cool. While it's not a matter of "I sucked so this setup sucks," OR "Just practice more and stop complaining," we can all agree we want fairest test presented.
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