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Post by seamount4life on Jan 30, 2019 18:50:29 GMT -5
119 greens should be banned from the TGCTours. 100% agreed. absolutely ruins the experience. and on another note. Can we PLEASE stop using courses that were made for TGC1? TGC2019 plays so much differently and those courses have no place in today's Tour Set-up (Most of them at least)
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Post by mrvinegar206 on Jan 30, 2019 19:16:39 GMT -5
119 greens should be banned from the TGCTours. 100% agreed. absolutely ruins the experience. and on another note. Can we PLEASE stop using courses that were made for TGC1? TGC2019 plays so much differently and those courses have no place in today's Tour Set-up (Most of them at least) I would love to hear what makes a course a "TGC 1 course" Have I scheduled a course with 15 yard fairways? Nope. Have I scheduled a course where you can't hold half the greens? Nope.
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Post by seamount4life on Jan 31, 2019 10:45:33 GMT -5
100% agreed. absolutely ruins the experience. and on another note. Can we PLEASE stop using courses that were made for TGC1? TGC2019 plays so much differently and those courses have no place in today's Tour Set-up (Most of them at least) I would love to hear what makes a course a "TGC 1 course" Have I scheduled a course with 15 yard fairways? Nope. Have I scheduled a course where you can't hold half the greens? Nope. A course that was made in and most importantly FOR TGC1. Then Ported, and ported again with no real changes even though the swing and overall gameplay is night and day different in 2019. There's already been 3 or 4 on the Euro so far and it's glaringly obvious a few holes into my first round that the course wasn't made with TGC2019 in mind.
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Post by drivert on Jan 31, 2019 11:06:08 GMT -5
For Clarification valley of the Sun was a TGC 2 build not a TGC1 course. Also any course I port from 1 undergoes a massive redesign as 1 does not equate well into 2 or 2019 I would love to hear what makes a course a "TGC 1 course" Have I scheduled a course with 15 yard fairways? Nope. Have I scheduled a course where you can't hold half the greens? Nope. A course that was made in and most importantly FOR TGC1. Then Ported, and ported again with no real changes even though the swing and overall gameplay is night and day different in 2019. There's already been 3 or 4 on the Euro so far and it's glaringly obvious a few holes into my first round that the course wasn't made with TGC2019 in mind.
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Post by seamount4life on Jan 31, 2019 11:10:10 GMT -5
For Clarification valley of the Sun was a TGC 2 build not a TGC1 course. Also any course I port from 1 undergoes a massive redesign as 1 does not equate well into 2 or 2019 A course that was made in and most importantly FOR TGC1. Then Ported, and ported again with no real changes even though the swing and overall gameplay is night and day different in 2019. There's already been 3 or 4 on the Euro so far and it's glaringly obvious a few holes into my first round that the course wasn't made with TGC2019 in mind. Sorry for the confusion here, This week's course was not what I was referring to. I liked this week's course. I just hated the 119 green speeds. Was just making a general statement about the use of courses that originated in TGC1, especially the last 6 months of TGC1 which was a "Hit this blade of grass or else" design contest. There have been a few that I can remember this season from what I can recall and the experience is always a terrible one.
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Post by seamount4life on Jan 31, 2019 11:54:55 GMT -5
Also, out of curiosity. What went into the decision to go with 119 greens?
Because I don't see how it made the experience better. The green design on the course didn't seem like it was unfair at faster speeds. Not saying it should've been 187 but 166 felt like it would have been fine, Maybe 140ish at the slowest for a "Rain Day" scenario for a round.
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Post by jarednich on Jan 31, 2019 15:27:11 GMT -5
Have you guys tried hitting your putts a little harder?
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Post by catcherman22 on Jan 31, 2019 16:42:44 GMT -5
Thundercock for the win!
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Post by seamount4life on Jan 31, 2019 17:08:54 GMT -5
Have you guys tried hitting your putts a little harder? Not really the point but yes I tried. and it needed to be A LOT harder. that is the issue. It's like moving the hoops to 12ft in an NBA game and just telling them to "Shoot it farther". They will still miss short even though they know it needs to go further. It's a feel thing. When you shoot thousands of jumpers at a 10ft hoop you know how that feels. you can't just adjust to 12ft in warmups and be okay. takes thousands of shots at a 12ft hoop to feel comfortable. That change is too drastic. If you moved the hoop to 10ft 6 inches then it would be an easier adjustment. That is all I am getting at. We have been putting on greens that were 160+ (Mainly 187) for 3-4 years now. So why drop it down to 119 especially when the course didn't warrant it. Keep that slow sh%$ out of TGCTours (Or at the very least out of the Pro Tours.)
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Post by paulus on Jan 31, 2019 19:40:32 GMT -5
Your analogy didn’t really work for me - in that it never happens. Whereas in golf there are times when greens are crazy slow - you should try my local municipal course built on a refuse tip, in winter when the green keeper phoned in sick. Not sure it’ll be getting a visit from the European Tour anytime soon tho 🤭
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Post by Brighttail on Jan 31, 2019 20:53:25 GMT -5
Wow. It looks like I can put away the blowtorch this week on my last promotion mark.
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Post by seamount4life on Feb 1, 2019 9:36:03 GMT -5
Your analogy didn’t really work for me - in that it never happens. Whereas in golf there are times when greens are crazy slow - you should try my local municipal course built on a refuse tip, in winter when the green keeper phoned in sick. Not sure it’ll be getting a visit from the European Tour anytime soon tho 🤭 And there are times when a hurricane rolls in, and inches of snow fall, but why would you play in it? Why would you tee it up in terrible conditions when you don't have to? It's a videogame. You can play in the best possible conditions at all times. You don't have to worry about greens keepers phoning in sick. And I am all for variety and changing things up a little but it seems unnecessary to do something that is completely foreign to 99.9% of people teeing off just because "It could happen." In the end, this is all make believe and something fun we do in the middle of our busy work weeks, family life, etc. Is it competitive? of course. but we are all playing the same course so I am not sure why making it a terrible experience is even in the conversation. And like you said, the Euro Tour isn't rolling into your local muni course any time soon so why are we playing in muni conditions? ESPECIALLY on the Pro Tours.
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Post by jarednich on Feb 1, 2019 10:26:06 GMT -5
Your analogy didn’t really work for me - in that it never happens. Whereas in golf there are times when greens are crazy slow - you should try my local municipal course built on a refuse tip, in winter when the green keeper phoned in sick. Not sure it’ll be getting a visit from the European Tour anytime soon tho 🤭 And there are times when a hurricane rolls in, and inches of snow fall, but why would you play in it? Why would you tee it up in terrible conditions when you don't have to? It's a videogame. You can play in the best possible conditions at all times. You don't have to worry about greens keepers phoning in sick. And I am all for variety and changing things up a little but it seems unnecessary to do something that is completely foreign to 99.9% of people teeing off just because "It could happen." In the end, this is all make believe and something fun we do in the middle of our busy work weeks, family life, etc. Is it competitive? of course. but we are all playing the same course so I am not sure why making it a terrible experience is even in the conversation. And like you said, the Euro Tour isn't rolling into your local muni course any time soon so why are we playing in muni conditions? ESPECIALLY on the Pro Tours. I don't think it was a terrible experience for everyone though. I didn't love the slower greens, but it didn't really ruin the week. I think having variety is good. I know I've seen slow greens due to weather on pro tours in real life, especially on the Euro (maybe not in the Middle East but certainly in the UK and Ireland), and I think he was well within his rights to have some of that built in to our tour stop this week. I agree with your argument that you can play in the best possible conditions at all times, but I guess I'm saying I wouldn't want to. Having said that, I'm actual crap on 119 greens.
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Post by paulus on Feb 1, 2019 13:30:07 GMT -5
Variety is the spice of life. I enjoy the variable conditions and setups - would get bored if all events were played in the best possible conditions. My first time on 119 greens - didn't really like 'em that much - but happy to roll with it, for a one off.
I found the greenside bunkers that are impossible to get out of a bit more objectionable tbh. But it's the same for everyone, so I sucked it up.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Feb 1, 2019 16:49:02 GMT -5
Holy shit..I made a cut
That's about all you'll hear from me this week...carry on
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