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Post by lessangster on Jul 9, 2019 3:59:55 GMT -5
I have added a few of you on Xbox live I hope you don’t mind.
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Post by BENNY6676 on Jul 9, 2019 11:09:23 GMT -5
lessangster. I might have a couple of videos on Twitch. I can't speak for anyone else but I normally do a stream now and again. Just search benny6676. There might still be a couple saved on there. If not I'll probably do one later or tomorrow for my TGCT rounds
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Post by killahbeaz132 on Jul 10, 2019 13:56:04 GMT -5
lessangster Everyone plays the game totally differently but xEB50x has mentioned some key points for you to think about. killahbeaz132 is head and shoulders above the rest of us so he'd be a good one for some more tips. For playing with master clubs I personally just recommend really honing in your short game. Everything under 80 yards, pitching, flopping, chipping but especially putting! Putting is what gets us Xbox players our low scores because we have a hell of a lot of 20-30 footers. Really practice judging your pace and line on various green speeds and with different levels of elevation. The more you play the better you'll get! On the Xbox it doesn't matter how good you are, you'll still have tempo issues most rounds even if you're lucky enough for it to be just a couple of holes. Obviously try and get your tempo better if you can but just know that VF into a water hazard can come at anytime! 😂 Do you know roughly what your main type of swing is? PP, PF, PS etc. So if you know you hit mainly PP and PF then just play percentage shots by adjusting your aim accordingly so you know that you'll still be on the green. This comes down to course management when it's safe to go for a pin, and when not to. Par is always better than a bogey. We all leave a couple of shots out there most rounds unfortunately just try not to let it bother you too much. If you can put the last hole behind you helps too. Good or bad. Finally, never play a rage shot where you don't think about the shot. It will cost you 2 more! Hopefully some of the other guys could be more specific with their methods for you, as like I said at the start everyone plays slightly different. Hey lessangster and anyone else that's interested. Here are a few points that I focus on and use when I play. First off before I say anything, please know that a lot of what it is for me is repetition. I've been playing the TGC games since I believe it was 2015 so I've had a lot of experience with it. I don't know that I'm head and shoulders ahead of everyone else, but I'm glad to give some insight into what I do. First off, remember that everyone plays differently, so even if you look at someone else plays you have to find out what works for you. Like for me, I play REALLY fast. Probably at a speed I wouldn't suggest others to play at. I think it takes me about anywhere from 15-20 mins to play a round. There may need to be some more time taken if you haven't played as much especially when it comes to short game . BENNY6676 made a great point about honing in the short game. To be really competitive on the PGA tour your putts need to be in the low 20s if possible. Probably anywhere from 21-25 at the absolute most. I highly suggest playing practice rounds on the course and in the conditions. You'll get a better feel for the receptiveness of the greens and the break of them as well. Secondly, knowing where to miss around the greens is key. Like Benny said on XB1, there are going to be times where you don't hit it P/P, that's just the way it goes. So try as best that you can that you get to the point that if it's not P/P it's just a P/F or P/S. If you can try to keep it to just one of those (ie. for me my miss is primarily P/F) then you can aim for certain spots. So a lot of times I'll aim a little short and right (I'm right-handed) so that if I hit a P/F that it will be close or not too far away. I have to make a lot of 15-20 footers. I think that is key. Like Benny mentioned, we'll have longer putts most times. However even if you don't hit it close all the time, you want to give yourself chances. The more you have those chances, the more you'll make. I don't use the click method for measuring how much wind is affecting it and where to aim. One thing I do suggest though is to turn off the wind number for all of your rounds, even if it's just a practice round. That way you don't necessarily have to think of the wind as a number but just really concentrate on that white inside of the circle. Also remember with the wind that you have to really think about where you can miss it and try to take that into account. I may play a little more or a little less for the wind depending on where I can miss. I like to think I play some of my better golf in tough conditions. So, I'll quickly walk you thru what I think about in rounds with high wind before approach shots: -Lie? In the fairway. OK how many feet uphill or downhill is it on the approach shot. I don't know if you guys use this but for me 3ft = 1yd as to how far the hole will play. For example, 150 yd shot that's 15ft uphill will play like a 155 yard shot. I find that actually seems to play pretty accurately that way. So figure that out, then look at the wind. Remember if a wind is blowing southeast as opposed to straight south, it won't add or take off as much distance as far as how long the shot will play. It's important to know how much of a first bounce you'll get. Really try to visualize the run out. I know it sounds crazy but I'll look at the green grid really quickly before the approach shot to see if it's running away from me or coming back to me. Trying to gauge that bounce along with the firmness (firm, very firm, moderate, slow). -Before I swing (I use the right analog stick by the way), have a nice smooth rhythm. The result of the swing isn't necessarily what you see on the screen due to lag and what have you. So if you feel a smooth swing on your controller, and it looks a little choppy on the screen, it may still be P/P. All the way back, and all the way thru. I actually find the "flick" can be a little inconsistent on XB1 because it may register it as VERY FAST, and that's the dreaded result. It's why you don't really see XB1 players getting removed from the leaderboard often I think. Some of my lines don't go completely to the top, but the vast majority do. I find when they're not going all the way to the top, it's worse for me. Then you hit it and pray With those thoughts in place though, it helps consistency. A good point was made earlier too about the mindset. There are going to be shots that miss the green and there are going to be bad breaks. Let it go, immediately if possible. You may not even realize it but when you're angry, that swing speed will get fast and more erratic and then you're in a world of trouble. I still work on this often, because now I've gotten to a point where I expect a lot from myself in most situations and I'm ultra-competitive, so if I play badly I get frustrated. I just shot horribly in the first round of this tournament (-7 on a very easy course) and was angry. Pulled it back around with a -14 in the second round so I will make the cut. Have to try to play 2 crazy good rounds to get back inside the top 25 (typically my goal each week is T25 or better). Just stay in the positive mindset and it'll come around. One last thing. Putting. So the BIGGEST thing about putting is to make sure you're getting a straight line when putting. Also note, putting isn't one of those things where the lines have to go all the way to the top. Especially on short downhillers. But you want the line you do have to be very straight. That's the only way that you can consistently trust the line you pick and see if you're overreading or underreading the greens. Remember, one fast green does not necessarily equal a fast green on another course. There are slight speed differences hence the practice rounds are key to hone that speed before the round. Downhill putts take more of the break, Uphill putts take less. The faster the greens, the more break you need to play. I don't have a good method for predicting how much break, it's completely a feel thing for me. But I avg 1.359 putts a hole which is pretty good (37th on tour I think). So you can get there just by putting more reps in on the green and getting a feel is all and working on getting a straight line. Sorry, I rambled. But if I have any other info that you guys would like me to share, I most definitely don't mind. Good luck and stick with it guys!
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Post by lessangster on Jul 10, 2019 15:40:50 GMT -5
lessangster Everyone plays the game totally differently but xEB50x has mentioned some key points for you to think about. killahbeaz132 is head and shoulders above the rest of us so he'd be a good one for some more tips. For playing with master clubs I personally just recommend really honing in your short game. Everything under 80 yards, pitching, flopping, chipping but especially putting! Putting is what gets us Xbox players our low scores because we have a hell of a lot of 20-30 footers. Really practice judging your pace and line on various green speeds and with different levels of elevation. The more you play the better you'll get! On the Xbox it doesn't matter how good you are, you'll still have tempo issues most rounds even if you're lucky enough for it to be just a couple of holes. Obviously try and get your tempo better if you can but just know that VF into a water hazard can come at anytime! 😂 Do you know roughly what your main type of swing is? PP, PF, PS etc. So if you know you hit mainly PP and PF then just play percentage shots by adjusting your aim accordingly so you know that you'll still be on the green. This comes down to course management when it's safe to go for a pin, and when not to. Par is always better than a bogey. We all leave a couple of shots out there most rounds unfortunately just try not to let it bother you too much. If you can put the last hole behind you helps too. Good or bad. Finally, never play a rage shot where you don't think about the shot. It will cost you 2 more! Hopefully some of the other guys could be more specific with their methods for you, as like I said at the start everyone plays slightly different. Hey lessangster and anyone else that's interested. Here are a few points that I focus on and use when I play. First off before I say anything, please know that a lot of what it is for me is repetition. I've been playing the TGC games since I believe it was 2015 so I've had a lot of experience with it. I don't know that I'm head and shoulders ahead of everyone else, but I'm glad to give some insight into what I do. First off, remember that everyone plays differently, so even if you look at someone else plays you have to find out what works for you. Like for me, I play REALLY fast. Probably at a speed I wouldn't suggest others to play at. I think it takes me about anywhere from 15-20 mins to play a round. There may need to be some more time taken if you haven't played as much especially when it comes to short game . BENNY6676 made a great point about honing in the short game. To be really competitive on the PGA tour your putts need to be in the low 20s if possible. Probably anywhere from 21-25 at the absolute most. I highly suggest playing practice rounds on the course and in the conditions. You'll get a better feel for the receptiveness of the greens and the break of them as well. Secondly, knowing where to miss around the greens is key. Like Benny said on XB1, there are going to be times where you don't hit it P/P, that's just the way it goes. So try as best that you can that you get to the point that if it's not P/P it's just a P/F or P/S. If you can try to keep it to just one of those (ie. for me my miss is primarily P/F) then you can aim for certain spots. So a lot of times I'll aim a little short and right (I'm right-handed) so that if I hit a P/F that it will be close or not too far away. I have to make a lot of 15-20 footers. I think that is key. Like Benny mentioned, we'll have longer putts most times. However even if you don't hit it close all the time, you want to give yourself chances. The more you have those chances, the more you'll make. I don't use the click method for measuring how much wind is affecting it and where to aim. One thing I do suggest though is to turn off the wind number for all of your rounds, even if it's just a practice round. That way you don't necessarily have to think of the wind as a number but just really concentrate on that white inside of the circle. Also remember with the wind that you have to really think about where you can miss it and try to take that into account. I may play a little more or a little less for the wind depending on where I can miss. I like to think I play some of my better golf in tough conditions. So, I'll quickly walk you thru what I think about in rounds with high wind before approach shots: -Lie? In the fairway. OK how many feet uphill or downhill is it on the approach shot. I don't know if you guys use this but for me 3ft = 1yd as to how far the hole will play. For example, 150 yd shot that's 15ft uphill will play like a 155 yard shot. I find that actually seems to play pretty accurately that way. So figure that out, then look at the wind. Remember if a wind is blowing southeast as opposed to straight south, it won't add or take off as much distance as far as how long the shot will play. It's important to know how much of a first bounce you'll get. Really try to visualize the run out. I know it sounds crazy but I'll look at the green grid really quickly before the approach shot to see if it's running away from me or coming back to me. Trying to gauge that bounce along with the firmness (firm, very firm, moderate, slow). -Before I swing (I use the right analog stick by the way), have a nice smooth rhythm. The result of the swing isn't necessarily what you see on the screen due to lag and what have you. So if you feel a smooth swing on your controller, and it looks a little choppy on the screen, it may still be P/P. All the way back, and all the way thru. I actually find the "flick" can be a little inconsistent on XB1 because it may register it as VERY FAST, and that's the dreaded result. It's why you don't really see XB1 players getting removed from the leaderboard often I think. Some of my lines don't go completely to the top, but the vast majority do. I find when they're not going all the way to the top, it's worse for me. Then you hit it and pray With those thoughts in place though, it helps consistency. A good point was made earlier too about the mindset. There are going to be shots that miss the green and there are going to be bad breaks. Let it go, immediately if possible. You may not even realize it but when you're angry, that swing speed will get fast and more erratic and then you're in a world of trouble. I still work on this often, because now I've gotten to a point where I expect a lot from myself in most situations and I'm ultra-competitive, so if I play badly I get frustrated. I just shot horribly in the first round of this tournament (-7 on a very easy course) and was angry. Pulled it back around with a -14 in the second round so I will make the cut. Have to try to play 2 crazy good rounds to get back inside the top 25 (typically my goal each week is T25 or better). Just stay in the positive mindset and it'll come around. One last thing. Putting. So the BIGGEST thing about putting is to make sure you're getting a straight line when putting. Also note, putting isn't one of those things where the lines have to go all the way to the top. Especially on short downhillers. But you want the line you do have to be very straight. That's the only way that you can consistently trust the line you pick and see if you're overreading or underreading the greens. Remember, one fast green does not necessarily equal a fast green on another course. There are slight speed differences hence the practice rounds are key to hone that speed before the round. Downhill putts take more of the break, Uphill putts take less. The faster the greens, the more break you need to play. I don't have a good method for predicting how much break, it's completely a feel thing for me. But I avg 1.359 putts a hole which is pretty good (37th on tour I think). So you can get there just by putting more reps in on the green and getting a feel is all and working on getting a straight line. Sorry, I rambled. But if I have any other info that you guys would like me to share, I most definitely don't mind. Good luck and stick with it guys! Thanks Brandon that’s excellent information much appreciated
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Post by kickingguru on Jul 10, 2019 17:25:40 GMT -5
Great tips above!! Quick question. Do you primarily use draw/fade to play against the wind or simply hit a straight ball and aim left or right? What do you believe the pros and cons of each are?
Thanks for that as it at least gives me confirmation that the things I am struggling with at times are felt by others on the xbox.
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Post by killahbeaz132 on Jul 10, 2019 18:53:09 GMT -5
Great tips above!! Quick question. Do you primarily use draw/fade to play against the wind or simply hit a straight ball and aim left or right? What do you believe the pros and cons of each are? Thanks for that as it at least gives me confirmation that the things I am struggling with at times are felt by others on the xbox. Sorry if this post comes out weird for some reason. I'm doing it from my phone. So the answer to your question for me is that it depends. If it's a straight ahead shot from the tee with no tree trouble then I'll just adjust the aim for the wind. If I have to avoid a tree then I may play a draw into a left to right wind to make it fly more straight. I think the pros to not using draw or fade if possible are that you just need to focus on your swing and not how much draw or fade you've played because it's a very precise thing to use. And sometimes subconsciously if you play a fade or a draw it can make your swing different because you try to overcompensate if you're not in love with the line you've chosen (maybe that's just me lol). The cons are that if you don't use them that you may miss out on some opportunities. Sometimes those fades and draws can help you hit it into certain slopes to help you hold a fairway or catch a good slope on the greens. It also can prevent you having to rely so hard on hitting P/P with a perfectly straight line because you've compensated that with the draw or fade. Some punch shots out of the trees and what not are good candidates for using draws/fades to help. The driving range is a good place to figure out exactly how much you need to adjust the draw/fade to get the desired curve you want. If I can help at all let me know!
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Post by kickingguru on Jul 10, 2019 19:08:13 GMT -5
Makes sense and thank you!
I have been experimenting with it in higher winds with a mixed bag of results. If the lie is flat and its high winds, it has helped get closer. If there is any sidehill lie however, roll the dice. Also, you are correct in the swing has to be spot on. I went back to Pro for the time being and I can hit that straight consistently, but I will soon jump back to Masters and that brings a whole new complexity to the shot.
I simply wanted to know if I was missing anything by not using fades/draws consistently and you answered that!!
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Post by killahbeaz132 on Jul 10, 2019 19:27:47 GMT -5
Makes sense and thank you! I have been experimenting with it in higher winds with a mixed bag of results. If the lie is flat and its high winds, it has helped get closer. If there is any sidehill lie however, roll the dice. Also, you are correct in the swing has to be spot on. I went back to Pro for the time being and I can hit that straight consistently, but I will soon jump back to Masters and that brings a whole new complexity to the shot. I simply wanted to know if I was missing anything by not using fades/draws consistently and you answered that!! Yeah man no problem. I would not suggest playing draws and fades off severe sidehill lies if it can be helped. Like you said that can be a crapshoot. And remember that everyone plays differently so just because I say it doesn't mean it won't work somewhat differently for you. Just test it out and see what you like best. One thing I didn't mention earlier was chipping/flopping. I'd probably say that inside of 9 ft I chip in about 30-40% of the time if I had to guess. That's a good thing to work on with your short game. Getting those chips and flops close is very beneficial for XB1 players in particular because we're more prone to hitting shots offline. Remember the distance shown about how far a shot will go is the carry distance, doesn't account for rollout.
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Post by lessangster on Jul 11, 2019 4:54:14 GMT -5
This is my round of golf at the moment Me: Don’t miss right as you leave no shot Where do I miss...right Next apraoch Me: Don’t go left so I aim a little right Fast or very fast swing misses left
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Post by lessangster on Jul 11, 2019 8:00:39 GMT -5
Makes sense and thank you! I have been experimenting with it in higher winds with a mixed bag of results. If the lie is flat and its high winds, it has helped get closer. If there is any sidehill lie however, roll the dice. Also, you are correct in the swing has to be spot on. I went back to Pro for the time being and I can hit that straight consistently, but I will soon jump back to Masters and that brings a whole new complexity to the shot. I simply wanted to know if I was missing anything by not using fades/draws consistently and you answered that!! Yeah man no problem. I would not suggest playing draws and fades off severe sidehill lies if it can be helped. Like you said that can be a crapshoot. And remember that everyone plays differently so just because I say it doesn't mean it won't work somewhat differently for you. Just test it out and see what you like best. One thing I didn't mention earlier was chipping/flopping. I'd probably say that inside of 9 ft I chip in about 30-40% of the time if I had to guess. That's a good thing to work on with your short game. Getting those chips and flops close is very beneficial for XB1 players in particular because we're more prone to hitting shots offline. Remember the distance shown about how far a shot will go is the carry distance, doesn't account for rollout. I don’t know how you can allow for the fast downswing on irons if I do it I generally hit perfect/perfect and end up well short if it has a slope on the front of the green I end up chipping from the front. It’s like your second guessing yourself. I think my best strategy is to aim for the middles of the green and rely on a good putt but that doesn’t help with getting birdies.
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Post by BENNY6676 on Jul 11, 2019 9:36:06 GMT -5
Yeah man no problem. I would not suggest playing draws and fades off severe sidehill lies if it can be helped. Like you said that can be a crapshoot. And remember that everyone plays differently so just because I say it doesn't mean it won't work somewhat differently for you. Just test it out and see what you like best. One thing I didn't mention earlier was chipping/flopping. I'd probably say that inside of 9 ft I chip in about 30-40% of the time if I had to guess. That's a good thing to work on with your short game. Getting those chips and flops close is very beneficial for XB1 players in particular because we're more prone to hitting shots offline. Remember the distance shown about how far a shot will go is the carry distance, doesn't account for rollout. I don’t know how you can allow for the fast downswing on irons if I do it I generally hit perfect/perfect and end up well short if it has a slope on the front of the green I end up chipping from the front. It’s like your second guessing yourself. I think my best strategy is to aim for the middles of the green and rely on a good putt but that doesn’t help with getting birdies. I think he means playing a percentage shot where (and not in all circumstances are you able to) you make your target area where you can hit a PP or a PF and you'll still be on the green. This is a very safe and sensible method if you're having a nightmare with your tempo consistency but will also mean you won't ever dial one in so make sure you don't mind having some longer putts.
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Post by killahbeaz132 on Jul 11, 2019 9:55:57 GMT -5
Yeah man no problem. I would not suggest playing draws and fades off severe sidehill lies if it can be helped. Like you said that can be a crapshoot. And remember that everyone plays differently so just because I say it doesn't mean it won't work somewhat differently for you. Just test it out and see what you like best. One thing I didn't mention earlier was chipping/flopping. I'd probably say that inside of 9 ft I chip in about 30-40% of the time if I had to guess. That's a good thing to work on with your short game. Getting those chips and flops close is very beneficial for XB1 players in particular because we're more prone to hitting shots offline. Remember the distance shown about how far a shot will go is the carry distance, doesn't account for rollout. I don’t know how you can allow for the fast downswing on irons if I do it I generally hit perfect/perfect and end up well short if it has a slope on the front of the green I end up chipping from the front. It’s like your second guessing yourself. I think my best strategy is to aim for the middles of the green and rely on a good putt but that doesn’t help with getting birdies. Well, I may should have been a little more clear about it. There are more factors that go into that allowance. I have to take a look at the green and see what's around. If I can't afford to go short then I can't play for the P/F. I just have to go flag hunting or whatever I see as the best part to go for. The majority of the time I'm aiming for my spots with a P/P swing. But if my swing feels off, or there's some space short of the hole on the greens that leaves me an uphill putt or something I may aim a bit in between where I think P/P and P/F will land. I think for approaches just knowing where you may have the best putt attempt with the least amount of break is important. To me, a 28 footer with not much break is better than an 18 footer that basically breaks off the map. Don't get me wrong, I get plenty of benders and I think I'm pretty good at reading them, but most of the time you don't expect to make those putts. Obviously we all want the 3 footers for birdie and we'll get them, just know your strengths. Some people don't like hitting pitch shots and rather have full shots in. So maybe hit the 3wd off the tee as opposed to driver to get that sand wedge in as opposed to a 8i pitch shot. The birdies will happen because you will hit some P/P swings and if your aim is on point you'll get rewarded. The key it to try to eliminate the bad holes. Some holes are just really not birdie holes, which can be hard to accept in a video game at times. All that said lessangster, I think playing for the P/P swing all the time isn't necessarily bad because like you said you want to believe you'll do that. And I mean I've had plenty of rounds where the majority of my shots are P/P. Just try to find that right rhythm for you.
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Post by lessangster on Jul 11, 2019 10:05:03 GMT -5
I don’t know how you can allow for the fast downswing on irons if I do it I generally hit perfect/perfect and end up well short if it has a slope on the front of the green I end up chipping from the front. It’s like your second guessing yourself. I think my best strategy is to aim for the middles of the green and rely on a good putt but that doesn’t help with getting birdies. Well, I may should have been a little more clear about it. There are more factors that go into that allowance. I have to take a look at the green and see what's around. If I can't afford to go short then I can't play for the P/F. I just have to go flag hunting or whatever I see as the best part to go for. The majority of the time I'm aiming for my spots with a P/P swing. But if my swing feels off, or there's some space short of the hole on the greens that leaves me an uphill putt or something I may aim a bit in between where I think P/P and P/F will land. I think for approaches just knowing where you may have the best putt attempt with the least amount of break is important. To me, a 28 footer with not much break is better than an 18 footer that basically breaks off the map. Don't get me wrong, I get plenty of benders and I think I'm pretty good at reading them, but most of the time you don't expect to make those putts. Obviously we all want the 3 footers for birdie and we'll get them, just know your strengths. Some people don't like hitting pitch shots and rather have full shots in. So maybe hit the 3wd off the tee as opposed to driver to get that sand wedge in as opposed to a 8i pitch shot. The birdies will happen because you will hit some P/P swings and if your aim is on point you'll get rewarded. The key it to try to eliminate the bad holes. Some holes are just really not birdie holes, which can be hard to accept in a video game at times. All that said lessangster, I think playing for the P/P swing all the time isn't necessarily bad because like you said you want to believe you'll do that. And I mean I've had plenty of rounds where the majority of my shots are P/P. Just try to find that right rhythm for you. I agree with everything you’ve said I’ve just switched to master clubs from pro clubs which I’m pretty accurate with on approach shots, I’ve switched because most of the courses were getting on tour now are pretty long and I would rather hit a shorter master club iron with all it’s inaccuracies than a pro club long iron. My drives are going remarkably well, irons not as good as I would like but I am a good lag putter. I don’t hole enough of the twenty footers and shorter as I would like. I think the best thing I can learn from players like yourself is good course management. Edit: when I get a good rhythm going I can shoot some good but not exceptional rounds it’s very rare I get into the double figures under par on tour courses but if I can shoot -8 to -10 under I’m happy I just wish I could do it for four rounds. Even then I always have a couple of bogies somewhere.
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Post by killahbeaz132 on Jul 11, 2019 13:13:54 GMT -5
Well, I may should have been a little more clear about it. There are more factors that go into that allowance. I have to take a look at the green and see what's around. If I can't afford to go short then I can't play for the P/F. I just have to go flag hunting or whatever I see as the best part to go for. The majority of the time I'm aiming for my spots with a P/P swing. But if my swing feels off, or there's some space short of the hole on the greens that leaves me an uphill putt or something I may aim a bit in between where I think P/P and P/F will land. I think for approaches just knowing where you may have the best putt attempt with the least amount of break is important. To me, a 28 footer with not much break is better than an 18 footer that basically breaks off the map. Don't get me wrong, I get plenty of benders and I think I'm pretty good at reading them, but most of the time you don't expect to make those putts. Obviously we all want the 3 footers for birdie and we'll get them, just know your strengths. Some people don't like hitting pitch shots and rather have full shots in. So maybe hit the 3wd off the tee as opposed to driver to get that sand wedge in as opposed to a 8i pitch shot. The birdies will happen because you will hit some P/P swings and if your aim is on point you'll get rewarded. The key it to try to eliminate the bad holes. Some holes are just really not birdie holes, which can be hard to accept in a video game at times. All that said lessangster , I think playing for the P/P swing all the time isn't necessarily bad because like you said you want to believe you'll do that. And I mean I've had plenty of rounds where the majority of my shots are P/P. Just try to find that right rhythm for you. I agree with everything you’ve said I’ve just switched to master clubs from pro clubs which I’m pretty accurate with on approach shots, I’ve switched because most of the courses were getting on tour now are pretty long and I would rather hit a shorter master club iron with all it’s inaccuracies than a pro club long iron. My drives are going remarkably well, irons not as good as I would like but I am a good lag putter. I don’t hole enough of the twenty footers and shorter as I would like. I think the best thing I can learn from players like yourself is good course management. Edit: when I get a good rhythm going I can shoot some good but not exceptional rounds it’s very rare I get into the double figures under par on tour courses but if I can shoot -8 to -10 under I’m happy I just wish I could do it for four rounds. Even then I always have a couple of bogies somewhere. Yeah, the course management is key and you'll just have to work on the 20 footers and in. Just have to make a lot of those. That'll come with more time and confidence on the greens. Also to your other point, as you eliminate the bogies more, your scores will get into the double digit under par territory more. Just stick with it. One main thing is that you just have to try to not get discouraged, especially on the higher tours, because there will be guys that are shooting a ton under par. Basically all of them will be PS4 players because for whatever reason it just seems easier. That's why I kinda set a goal of T25 (for me) for each tournament and hope that I can do better. I actually had T10 last week because I think another player dropped off the leaderboard, but I don't often get top 10s. I'm 43rd in the WGR but almost all of the ones ahead of me are PS4, so it's an uphill battle. This week is tough for me particularly because courses where you have to go crazy low I struggle on (mental block I think). I enjoy the courses that are more challenging and it's where I feel my short game pays me a lot of dividends. I'm barely making the cut this week, so I'm not immune to the rough times on the course. Just take it in stride! Put in the work and you'll be rewarded for sure!
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Post by lessangster on Jul 11, 2019 14:03:49 GMT -5
I agree with everything you’ve said I’ve just switched to master clubs from pro clubs which I’m pretty accurate with on approach shots, I’ve switched because most of the courses were getting on tour now are pretty long and I would rather hit a shorter master club iron with all it’s inaccuracies than a pro club long iron. My drives are going remarkably well, irons not as good as I would like but I am a good lag putter. I don’t hole enough of the twenty footers and shorter as I would like. I think the best thing I can learn from players like yourself is good course management. Edit: when I get a good rhythm going I can shoot some good but not exceptional rounds it’s very rare I get into the double figures under par on tour courses but if I can shoot -8 to -10 under I’m happy I just wish I could do it for four rounds. Even then I always have a couple of bogies somewhere. Yeah, the course management is key and you'll just have to work on the 20 footers and in. Just have to make a lot of those. That'll come with more time and confidence on the greens. Also to your other point, as you eliminate the bogies more, your scores will get into the double digit under par territory more. Just stick with it. One main thing is that you just have to try to not get discouraged, especially on the higher tours, because there will be guys that are shooting a ton under par. Basically all of them will be PS4 players because for whatever reason it just seems easier. That's why I kinda set a goal of T25 (for me) for each tournament and hope that I can do better. I actually had T10 last week because I think another player dropped off the leaderboard, but I don't often get top 10s. I'm 43rd in the WGR but almost all of the ones ahead of me are PS4, so it's an uphill battle. This week is tough for me particularly because courses where you have to go crazy low I struggle on (mental block I think). I enjoy the courses that are more challenging and it's where I feel my short game pays me a lot of dividends. I'm barely making the cut this week, so I'm not immune to the rough times on the course. Just take it in stride! Put in the work and you'll be rewarded for sure! I know of a couple of Xbox players that have bought the game on PS4 just to keep their position on the WGR (one of them is currently 27 on WGR and I have lost a bit of respect for him) something I would never do and there is data out there showing PS4 is the easier platform to score on for whatever reason. I tend to like the tougher conditions especially greens being a good lag putter. As I said before I have just started seriously trying the master clubs as I felt the admins are selecting more and more long courses which are a disadvantage to the pro club set even though the irons are generally more accurate. Thank you for all the advice I will try and put it into practice
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