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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 13:33:04 GMT -5
You know, I thought something about his writing style and bizarre reactions reminded me of the HB forum troll who's been banned there several times, and now I've seen those David posts I'm certain it's the same guy. Everything about his posts in this thread make a LOT more sense now, and I can't believe I entertained the idea that he might have actually been interested in improving his play lol
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Post by vivamexico on Jan 12, 2019 13:35:17 GMT -5
Thank you all for explaining about the data . I will go back under my bridge now . Sorry if I offended anyone, it was not my intention .
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Jan 12, 2019 14:31:54 GMT -5
I am not saying 21 under is impossible . What I am asking is , how can a guy who is not shooting 21 under, be removed? I don’t think a graph with a big column in the middle proves anything , unless that graph is a 21 under pay graph also I have been removed 2 times. Someone could post my patterns and I wouldn't care. After watching this video, I will say that I am much straighter on average than Mitch on the follow through. The bottom half of his line is probably more consistently straight than mine but not by much.
The important takeaway to me is that most of his bad lines were drives into holes with wide fairways where there was no effective penalty in terms of expected scoring from hitting it 10 yards right or left. If you look the approaches where he had to land it in a certain spot (e.g. the tee shot to the par 3 at the end of the first nine or the uphill driveable par 4 on the back) he was able to make very good line in these spots. I think if you took his dispersion and randomly applied it to shots throughout the round you couldn't get a result any better than the -21 we saw and it could easily be 8 shots worse with similar putting. To compete for victory in a given week, you need a straight line on the shots that matter, whether this is a matter of clutch or luck is always a debate.
Mitch also was able to get fast / fast with the driver on the one hole where that extra distance made the difference in reaching the green, this a type of skill that can really separate someone even among the guys at the top of the leaderboard.
Anyway this was the round of the year so far on PGA tour IMO, thanks for posting
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Jan 12, 2019 14:35:57 GMT -5
2) The only ways to get lines like the 'thin' graph (which got pulled by the API) are to a) use a Hori (or similar cheat device) or b) have a legit device which is not functioning correctly (ie has a dead zone so you only have to be semi accurate to get a dead straight line). Both are illegal on these tours.
Absolutely not true in my opinion
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Post by CuseHokie on Jan 12, 2019 14:39:54 GMT -5
I am not saying 21 under is impossible . What I am asking is , how can a guy who is not shooting 21 under, be removed? I don’t think a graph with a big column in the middle proves anything , unless that graph is a 21 under pay graph also I have been removed 2 times. Someone could post my patterns and I wouldn't care. After watching this video, I will say that I am much straighter on average than Mitch on the follow through. The bottom half of his line is probably more consistently straight than mine but not by much.
The important takeaway to me is that most of his bad lines were drives into holes with wide fairways where there was no effective penalty in terms of expected scoring from hitting it 10 yards right or left. If you look the approaches where he had to land it in a certain spot (e.g. the tee shot to the par 3 at the end of the first nine or the uphill driveable par 4 on the back) he was able to make very good line in these spots. I think if you took his dispersion and randomly applied it to shots throughout the round you couldn't get a result any better than the -21 we saw and it could easily be 8 shots worse with similar putting. To compete for victory in a given week, you need a straight line on the shots that matter, whether this is a matter of clutch or luck is always a debate.
Mitch also was able to get fast / fast with the driver on the one hole where that extra distance made the difference in reaching the green, this a type of skill that can really separate someone even among the guys at the top of the leaderboard.
Anyway this was the round of the year so far on PGA tour IMO, thanks for posting
I seem to push when I go for fast fast but sometimes the draw brings it back. If I don’t pull it off I’m in the bunker or rough on the right. The drive into 12 was textbook and almost made the eagle putt. 18, I was very close to getting to that back tier to have an easier eagle putt. And yes, those par3 pins were all tough that round. Easily could’ve made 3 each hole.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 12, 2019 16:54:08 GMT -5
2) The only ways to get lines like the 'thin' graph (which got pulled by the API) are to a) use a Hori (or similar cheat device) or b) have a legit device which is not functioning correctly (ie has a dead zone so you only have to be semi accurate to get a dead straight line). Both are illegal on these tours.
Absolutely not true in my opinion You think that it’s possible to do that with any regular DS4? In one round, 15 shots in the same highly granular dispersion segment? I’ve had API issues myself. Twice. With some further problems scattered in there too. Pretty sure looking back that the majority of the issue was the controller. My old technique coupled with a certain controller would get me APId. Pretty sure I can’t get API’d now with my latest pad. Not even sure I’d manage it if I went back to my old swing, or if I started short swinging not straight, which to me, says a lot.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jan 12, 2019 18:24:15 GMT -5
This is why we can't have nice things
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 19:42:07 GMT -5
Maybe you guys should do a shot every time you make a birdie.
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Jan 12, 2019 20:04:56 GMT -5
Absolutely not true in my opinion You think that it’s possible to do that with any regular DS4? In one round, 15 shots in the same highly granular dispersion segment? I’ve had API issues myself. Twice. With some further problems scattered in there too. Pretty sure looking back that the majority of the issue was the controller. My old technique coupled with a certain controller would get me APId. Pretty sure I can’t get API’d now with my latest pad. Not even sure I’d manage it if I went back to my old swing, or if I started short swinging not straight, which to me, says a lot.
Well Fadge, I don't have access to the charts so I don't know what that graph compares to in terms of how the line looks on screen, but on a good day I could pull out a brand new never used DS4 and have a run of 5-10 holes where all the lines look pretty much perfectly straight. No reason it can't be done for 18 holes.
From my point of view it's perfectly reasonable for the site admins to say they cannot accept a round because the swings cannot be distinguished from a modified controller, it sucks for the person when it happens to but it is understandable. It's not fair to say that it is impossible for the round to have been shot on a legal controller. In terms of outcome it's a distinction without a difference but in terms of what is implied about the player it makes a difference.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 12, 2019 20:36:53 GMT -5
You think that it’s possible to do that with any regular DS4? In one round, 15 shots in the same highly granular dispersion segment? I’ve had API issues myself. Twice. With some further problems scattered in there too. Pretty sure looking back that the majority of the issue was the controller. My old technique coupled with a certain controller would get me APId. Pretty sure I can’t get API’d now with my latest pad. Not even sure I’d manage it if I went back to my old swing, or if I started short swinging not straight, which to me, says a lot.
Well Fadge, I don't have access to the charts so I don't know what that graph compares to in terms of how the line looks on screen, but on a good day I could pull out a brand new never used DS4 and have a run of 5-10 holes where all the lines look pretty much perfectly straight. No reason it can't be done for 18 holes.
From my point of view it's perfectly reasonable for the site admins to say they cannot accept a round because the swings cannot be distinguished from a modified controller, it sucks for the person when it happens to but it is understandable. It's not fair to say that it is impossible for the round to have been shot on a legal controller. In terms of outcome it's a distinction without a difference but in terms of what is implied about the player it makes a difference.
I’m very much like you in that regard. If I really try to stripe it straight, Its easily doable. Moreso with a brand spanking new pad I’ve found. I get you, and good point on implication, but I think even multiple straight stripes don’t necessarily fall into the same chart slot. The scale of measurement on those charts is minuscule, so what looks straight to us will rarely show zero deviation in the charts. When you get a whole bunch in one segment, it’s usually pointing towards a problem from my experience.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 12, 2019 20:38:04 GMT -5
Maybe you guys should do a shot every time you make a birdie. Doesn’t work out so well for me. Tried it with a big gob of wine per birdie one night. Birdies soon dried up.
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Post by CuseHokie on Jan 12, 2019 20:59:53 GMT -5
Maybe you guys should do a shot every time you make a birdie. Doesn’t work out so well for me. Tried it with a big gob of wine per birdie one night. Birdies soon dried up. Well I suppose you sober up much faster when you aren’t making birdies. Might be a reason to do turn base w 3 ghosts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 21:12:35 GMT -5
Doesn’t work out so well for me. Tried it with a big gob of wine per birdie one night. Birdies soon dried up. Well I suppose you sober up much faster when you aren’t making birdies. Might be a reason to do turn base w 3 ghosts. I actually make a decent amount of birdies in TST ( for a mortal) it's the bogies and others that are a problem. Could be fun to do a tournament that way though. The better player could lose to a average player . Lots a possibilities lol. I was just messing with ya. Nice round. 21 shots coming up 😁
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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 12, 2019 21:14:48 GMT -5
Doesn’t work out so well for me. Tried it with a big gob of wine per birdie one night. Birdies soon dried up. Well I suppose you sober up much faster when you aren’t making birdies. Might be a reason to do turn base w 3 ghosts. We’re at the opposite ends of the spectrum Mitch. My aim is to get as pissed as possible!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 8:54:40 GMT -5
I can't believe you didn't have one shot dead solid straight in the graph. That seems more improbable than me hitting 11 in the exact middle.
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