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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 7, 2019 20:33:42 GMT -5
Now while I've hardly flamed the course and I think some of the comments are a bit harsh, I did say it wasn't doing it for me and it still isn't. I'm actually playing somewhat better than I would have imagined... This is the shite that lets it down though. Not even sure what the guildelines on pin placements for tour are, but this is pretty silly, isn't it? It rolls off the pin on all sides, quite severely. Good looking track, some really interesting holes, nice off the tee (bar the daftness that is 16), but some pin placements / approach sculpting really let it down in my opinion. I couldn't have hit a better shot to here if I tried a hundred times... deflofted it, cut it, rode the lie, and the wind and scooted it up by the flag. I'm thinking tap in eagle and I tie Mitch for the round at least, but no... off it toddles, painfully slowly, even in fast forward, sticking it's fingers up at me like some little scrote I've just chased off my land, and I'm left with a 28ft putt up a red slope that I can't really attack as the pin is on top of an egg with a downslope on the other side. I can only manage 1 round at a time here. I don't hate the course, by any stretch, but something about it just makes me really mad
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wmr5277
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 226
TGCT Name: Vitaly Potapenko
Tour: PGA
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Post by wmr5277 on Jan 7, 2019 20:55:16 GMT -5
Finished up. Another blah week for me. Am in a funk. Making an obscene amount of bad bogeys.
I didn't mind a lot of pins cut close to the fringe. Would actually like to see more of that.
Chipping is usually a massive strength of mine. However this week it was my biggest weakness and will be the difference from a 30th place finish instead of 10th place. Disappointing.
The winner this week will be who can chip in the most/make the most 20 footers since it's so difficult to get close on many shots.
Some of those hole locations had my head spinning. Lol. In round 2...2nd par 3 on the back i think...i was forced to lag my par putt from 8 feet. Because if it went 3 inches past the hole i had 40 feet coming back. That was brutal.
With that being said, outside of 1/4 of the pins on ant-hills; i didn't mind the course at all and actually enjoyed the pressure of having to hit perfect shots to have inside 10 feet for birdie for once.
Gun to my head if it's between this or the winner shooting 68 under with most of the field shooting 35 under par...i'm taking this all day long.
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Post by CuseHokie on Jan 7, 2019 21:05:34 GMT -5
Finished up. Another blah week for me. Am in a funk. Making an obscene amount of bad bogeys. I didn't mind a lot of pins cut close to the fringe. Would actually like to see more of that. Chipping is usually a massive strength of mine. However this week it was my biggest weakness and will be the difference from a 30th place finish instead of 10th place. Disappointing. The winner this week will be who can chip in the most/make the most 20 footers since it's so difficult to get close on many shots. Some of those hole locations had my head spinning. Lol. In round 2...2nd par 3 on the back i think...i was forced to lag my par putt from 8 feet. Because if it went 3 inches past the hole i had 40 feet coming back. That was brutal. With that being said, outside of 1/4 of the pins on ant-hills; i didn't mind the course at all and actually enjoyed the pressure of having to hit perfect shots to have inside 10 feet for birdie for once. Gun to my head if it's between this or the winner shooting 68 under with most of the field shooting 35 under par...i'm taking this all day long. I think you mean hole 15. Yea not a fair pin.
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Jan 8, 2019 6:24:09 GMT -5
If -10 makes the cut, i'll finish later in the week, if not fadgewacker wins by default
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jan 8, 2019 8:46:05 GMT -5
Finished up. Another blah week for me. Am in a funk. Making an obscene amount of bad bogeys. I didn't mind a lot of pins cut close to the fringe. Would actually like to see more of that. Chipping is usually a massive strength of mine. However this week it was my biggest weakness and will be the difference from a 30th place finish instead of 10th place. Disappointing. The winner this week will be who can chip in the most/make the most 20 footers since it's so difficult to get close on many shots. Some of those hole locations had my head spinning. Lol. In round 2...2nd par 3 on the back i think...i was forced to lag my par putt from 8 feet. Because if it went 3 inches past the hole i had 40 feet coming back. That was brutal. With that being said, outside of 1/4 of the pins on ant-hills; i didn't mind the course at all and actually enjoyed the pressure of having to hit perfect shots to have inside 10 feet for birdie for once. Gun to my head if it's between this or the winner shooting 68 under with most of the field shooting 35 under par...i'm taking this all day long. I think you mean hole 15. Yea not a fair pin. Illegal pin? And Dave is one of the guys complaining put it to 8 feet
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Post by CuseHokie on Jan 8, 2019 8:55:19 GMT -5
I think you mean hole 15. Yea not a fair pin. Illegal pin? And Dave is one of the guys complaining put it to 8 feet You’re missing the point. Good shots don’t get rewarded with these pins. I’m not sure if Dave’s ghost was an accurate representation of where it came to rest. I don’t think he made the putt (who could blame him from that angle - the only angle that would hold).
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jan 8, 2019 9:04:59 GMT -5
Illegal pin? And Dave is one of the guys complaining put it to 8 feet You’re missing the point. Good shots don’t get rewarded with these pins. I’m not sure if Dave’s ghost was an accurate representation of where it came to rest. I don’t think he made the putt (who could blame him from that angle - the only angle that would hold). These pins? Are we supposed to birdie ever hole for christsake? What is wrong with people around here. You shot a -14 opening round as well and a -10 in round 2!
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Post by CuseHokie on Jan 8, 2019 9:16:48 GMT -5
You’re missing the point. Good shots don’t get rewarded with these pins. I’m not sure if Dave’s ghost was an accurate representation of where it came to rest. I don’t think he made the putt (who could blame him from that angle - the only angle that would hold). These pins? Are we supposed to birdie ever hole for christsake? What is wrong with people around here. You shot a -14 opening round as well and a -10 in round 2! No we aren’t suppose to birdie every hole. But when a perfect shot that rolls to 5 feet of the pin then proceeds to roll off the green completely and thus a missed the green occurs, certainly there’s a middle ground. As someone alluded to earlier - this week is a chipping contest or as Smeds said the person that can execute the one and only shot that holds.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jan 8, 2019 9:39:35 GMT -5
My opinion is this is a tough but fair test. If this course was that bad it wouldn't have been selected for the PGA.
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Post by hippystein on Jan 8, 2019 9:45:14 GMT -5
Lol wouldnt get picked if it was💩 Pga west and torrey pines next up lmao 💩💩💩💩💩🙉💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
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Post by hippystein on Jan 8, 2019 10:04:46 GMT -5
Courses are designed for playabilty and designers spend 100s of hours on them only for tgct to ask them to trick them up to lower the scoring or adjust the pin sets as to be borderline thus ruining the playability the course was initially designed for. For example reuss' augusta 18 pins that is tough but fair on whatever settings you choose to play. There are a list of courses that just by increasing the wind a made into monsters but if you hit good shots you deserve to have a chance of birdie. Not if you knock it 6 inches past youve got a 8yd chip 1ft up and if you knock that a little past your left with 20ft for par. If the pins had been left at 187 for all 4 rounds youd of seen the yellow stroke red behind the flag and played for it instead of it showing green as it does then when your coming back its all in yellow. The designer himself wouldnt of wanted the course to play that way. Im not a massive fan of deep retaining walls on bunkers as if you are slightly off and i mean 2ft from being close to the hole or staring a bogey in the face as youve got no chance of even hitting the green. Thats isnt fair if it was water i get its your fault but if you get a bad bounce in those poorly sculpted bunkers your done. Pga west next, the joys. Im guessing tgct will set the greens at fast instead of default to combat the borderline yellow pins that are littered everywhere.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jan 8, 2019 10:08:23 GMT -5
Last I knew PGA guys don't play every event of the year. Play a practice round on the course to see if you like it. If you don't, don't play. Simple as that.
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Post by CuseHokie on Jan 8, 2019 10:15:51 GMT -5
Last I knew PGA guys don't play every event of the year. Play a practice round on the course to see if you like it. If you don't, don't play. Simple as that. PGA as in TGCTours or in real life? As it is, the Tours is having a participation challenge. Some say it's the luster of the game wearing out (hasn't TGCTours been around for years though?), some say it's the courses, some say it's the fake high winds... Guess the debate will continue... either way, participation dropping is a bad thing imo.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jan 8, 2019 10:18:39 GMT -5
Last I knew PGA guys don't play every event of the year. Play a practice round on the course to see if you like it. If you don't, don't play. Simple as that. PGA as in TGCTours or in real life? As it is, the Tours is having a participation challenge. Some say it's the luster of the game wearing out (hasn't TGCTours been around for years though?), some say it's the courses, some say it's the fake high winds... Guess the debate will continue... either way, participation dropping is a bad thing imo. Real PGA
It's like anything new though...the luster eventually wears off.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 8, 2019 10:29:31 GMT -5
My opinion is this a tough but fair test. If this course was that bad it wouldn't have been selected for the PGA. My opinion is it's a nice looking track, and a tough test (which is what I want, and I usually play better under those conditions), but it's let down badly by some unfair pins and landing areas that are designed to do nothing but shaft you. That one of mine from up 18 in R2. That is a ridiculous pin, which is only designed to do one thing, and that's to @!$# you over on anything from distance. The only way I could have hit that better would have been to come to rest 2-3ft left, from 240 ish yds... I lagged up my putt, took birdie and went to the bar. Instead of thinking what a good round I'd had, I was thinking about how silly that pin was. You're not telling me (with a straight face) that that specific pin is "a tough but fair test" are you Tim? Surely? I wan't the game to be difficult. I really do, but... bah... I've already said it.
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