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Post by CuseHokie on Dec 7, 2018 11:24:21 GMT -5
\How many "swings" did you get from HB to get to this result? I'm asking 'cause last time that you showed my chart next to Scott's that number was masked on both. It looks like it missing a lot of swing data here! We do not include chips, pitches, flops, or putts in these charts...just full swings. I get why you wouldn't include putts, but any reason why chips/pitches/flops aren't included? I would say the short game is a lot harder to have good tempo/swings in 2019 vs. tgc2 so I would think including that data would help make the case that someone isn't at an advantage...?
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Post by Doyley on Dec 7, 2018 11:28:33 GMT -5
We do not include chips, pitches, flops, or putts in these charts...just full swings. I get why you wouldn't include putts, but any reason why chips/pitches/flops aren't included? I would say the short game is a lot harder to have good tempo/swings in 2019 vs. tgc2 so I would think including that data would help make the case that someone isn't at an advantage...? We have that data just not in chart form. In the case Jeff posted, it's more of the same - all the shots were in that tight range.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Dec 7, 2018 11:31:46 GMT -5
Tempo is not part of the accuracy value. The accuracy value is a calculated value with weighted points at various parts of the swing...it is what determines how straight a shot is in the game. We get that value directly from HB, it isn't a calculation that we do.
We exclude the short game from this chart because it gives a better picture of how straight or consistent someone is with full swings whereas short game shots are often not full swings.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Dec 7, 2018 11:35:13 GMT -5
It's also important to understand that the charts are created just as a visual aid to help people understand the data. It's not like the Fair Play system has the ability to read the chart...it is looking at the data and the thresholds we've set for the aggregate data values.
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Post by Cyclerob on Dec 7, 2018 12:02:04 GMT -5
The numbers are the number of swings in each accuracy value range. We divide the accuracy values into 73 segments of .0025 increments. So, for example, in that second chart, you returned 18 accuracy values that were between 0.010000 and 0.012500. Ok... sounds like a pretty tight grouping... I guess... Too tight to be possible my guess is... So how come this is happening with the multiple DS4's that I'm using? In your experience, what am I doing different than what most people do since a) I'm not "flicking" the stick forward b) I make a conscious effort to make the said stick travel all the way to the end? C) I swing consistantly within the blue line, but not "robot" straight material here. Again, I wouldn't complain if I had one DS4 and one PS4... but I use 4 different DS4's, oldest dating from TGC2, play on 2 different PS4 Pro's... and I get in trouble or close to API trouble with all of them!
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Post by Cyclerob on Dec 7, 2018 12:08:27 GMT -5
Tempo is not part of the accuracy value. The accuracy value is a calculated value with weighted points at various parts of the swing...it is what determines how straight a shot is in the game. We get that value directly from HB, it isn't a calculation that we do. We exclude the short game from this chart because it gives a better picture of how straight or consistent someone is with full swings whereas short game shots are often not full swings.Interestingly enough, for me it's the area where I usually see a fully completed swing in the HUD... using the same swing as I do on the full shots! Weird!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 12:09:14 GMT -5
A quick glance at the chart gives me 30 swings. 18 in one .0025 range. 60%.
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Post by ijs1543 on Dec 7, 2018 12:15:55 GMT -5
How many "swings" did you get from HB to get to this result? I'm asking 'cause last time that you showed my chart next to Scott's that number was masked on both. It looks like it missing a lot of swing data here! For those of you that think that I'm "insane" here are my 2 rounds: I'd say that on 90% of my swings I make my analog stick travel until it hits the plastic of my DS4, distinctive click when it does, but most of them don't register as a fully completed swings. Again for those of you that are thinking that I'm nuts, I'm trying to alter my swing, which I don't flick btw, so I can play here. I'm not even trying to "score" anymore when I play TGCTours as my main focus is trying to produce a completed swing on each swings. Or maybe I should get a programable third party controller with a custom "wonky swing" option so I can play! You cant seriously be moaning that your swing should be aloud on tour, watched about 10 min of your round there and every shot near enough was straight only difference was how big your line was, surely when your playing that round you know that you have a big advantage and than to come on here and say "dq again its getting ridiculous" is crazy when the data there getting looks like that . maybe regis is not the only one who needs to ditch that control
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Dec 7, 2018 12:17:32 GMT -5
The numbers are the number of swings in each accuracy value range. We divide the accuracy values into 73 segments of .0025 increments. So, for example, in that second chart, you returned 18 accuracy values that were between 0.010000 and 0.012500. What is the next closest example that can gets hit that many times not from him? Like he hit 18. What is next closest that hits the same accuracy value from a better player on tour?
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Post by SmilingGoats on Dec 7, 2018 12:44:07 GMT -5
I don't have an easy way to look that up but I can tell you that the most you hit one segment was 4 times.
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Post by CuseHokie on Dec 7, 2018 12:48:03 GMT -5
So is the reason he got flagged because of the visual "middle finger"? That spread should simply be wider... anyone having 14 to 18 swings at that precise of a value has an unfair advantage? Also curious to what Tim is asking above.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Dec 7, 2018 13:00:25 GMT -5
I never said that is why he was flagged. He was actually flagged for failing a different metric.
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Post by Cyclerob on Dec 7, 2018 13:16:09 GMT -5
How many "swings" did you get from HB to get to this result? I'm asking 'cause last time that you showed my chart next to Scott's that number was masked on both. It looks like it missing a lot of swing data here! For those of you that think that I'm "insane" here are my 2 rounds: I'd say that on 90% of my swings I make my analog stick travel until it hits the plastic of my DS4, distinctive click when it does, but most of them don't register as a fully completed swings. Again for those of you that are thinking that I'm nuts, I'm trying to alter my swing, which I don't flick btw, so I can play here. I'm not even trying to "score" anymore when I play TGCTours as my main focus is trying to produce a completed swing on each swings. Or maybe I should get a programable third party controller with a custom "wonky swing" option so I can play! You cant seriously be moaning that your swing should be aloud on tour, watched about 10 min of your round there and every shot near enough was straight only difference was how big your line was, surely when your playing that round you know that you have a big advantage and than to come on here and say "dq again its getting ridiculous" is crazy when the data there getting looks like that . maybe regis is not the only one who needs to ditch that control See... that exactly the problem here... because you"re looking at a chart now you're linking me to RĂ©gis and the likes. HB has changed the way that they collect swing data now and if your swing is not showing has complete in the HUD, it sends partial or no data do TGCTours. So the API analyzes the inclomplete data and it makes you look like a robot. Trust me I'm no super human! How would you feel if: 1) You've practiced a lot and developped a really good consistant swing over the years, nothing unseen from good players here 2) You're using a PS4 3) You're using a DS4, standard no mods, I have 4 of them Suddently you're getting flagged because HB changed something, charts make you look so bad that people take the quick shortcut and now your name comes up in the same sentence as known or self proclaimed straight shooters. How would you fell about that if you're not doing anything to try to "game" the system? Every time that you take a swing you ask yourself if it would be ok because of this? Would you just roll over and do nothing? Or would you try to stand up for yourself in the hope of getting a discussion and that TGCTours, btw I'm not blaming them, talks to HB and ask them to maybe consider revise this since "Guys, we're DQ'ing some legit players because of the data you're sending us". I know more than 10 good players that are not playing here anymore or are trying to alter their swing with various degree of success or have quit the game altogether because of this.
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Post by Cyclerob on Dec 7, 2018 13:17:26 GMT -5
I never said that is why he was flagged. He was actually flagged for failing a different metric. Ok... I'm lost here... which different metric are we talking about now?
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Dec 7, 2018 13:28:03 GMT -5
So is the reason he got flagged because of the visual "middle finger"? That spread should simply be wider... anyone having 14 to 18 swings at that precise of a value has an unfair advantage? Also curious to what Tim is asking above. What my question was he hit the same range value 18x. I was wondering what the average good player may hit per round on one set value range. Jeff replied but only gave me mine. Looks like I hit within a specific value range 4x before in a round.
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