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Post by Celtic Wolf on Aug 1, 2018 10:33:35 GMT -5
Shot a 69 in my 4th round for -16 for the tournament and thank god that's done. As Violinguy69 said there are illegal pins I found 2 during the 4th round. Also found a light rough lie on the fairway although that's something that can't be spotted until hit. I thought the fairway on the 16th was a strange one with the big bunker in the middle and a tiny strip of fairway on the left. I found a few pins with mounds near them, probably just to trick them up a bit. I'll probably get another strike or two from this one. So hoping for a better few rounds next week or it could be back down to CC-C with me.
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Post by ErixonStone on Aug 1, 2018 12:33:31 GMT -5
Five rangers tested this course and none of them reported any excess slope near the pins. I didn't find any examples of excess slope on my own play-through either. No one reported any pins within 3 yards of any green edge.
With that said, depending on the angle at which the green grid is drawn - which is always predicated on the direction between your ball and the hole - the green grid could be represented differently.
I also want to stress that slope that is represented by a yellow line in the grid does not necessarily mean the pin is illegal. Instead, it is an easily recognizable sign that there may be excess slope in an area. We have guidelines that we follow and ask our rangers to point out any "yellow slopes" within a 4-foot radius of the pin (easily distinguishable by a focusing on a 3x3 grid surrounding the hole). There are times when a "yellow slope" is deemed acceptable, and times when we either ask the designer for a change or forego using the course altogether.
When deciding whether to accept the course as-is or to ask for a change, we consider the length and direction of the offending slope(s), the frequency that players will encounter excess slope throughout the event, and whether there are other changes we would like the designer to make (such as removing a tree, moving some tees, modifying playing conditions).
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Post by reebdoog on Aug 1, 2018 15:16:36 GMT -5
There were some hard ones but I didn’t have an issue with any...
Going to try and play more often so I can improve and get back up again :-)
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 2, 2018 9:03:23 GMT -5
Well except for the excessive frame rate issues that made the first 3 or 4 holes almost unplayable even putting and so many invisible breaks a foot from the hole ..... but it’s a good looking course. Not ready for prime time in my view.
it happens I suppose Just not an enjoyable course FOR ME. I still FREAKISHLY appreciate everything TGC Tours and designers
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Aug 2, 2018 11:56:04 GMT -5
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Post by Violinguy69 on Aug 2, 2018 12:04:22 GMT -5
Five rangers tested this course and none of them reported any excess slope near the pins. I didn't find any examples of excess slope on my own play-through either. No one reported any pins within 3 yards of any green edge. With that said, depending on the angle at which the green grid is drawn - which is always predicated on the direction between your ball and the hole - the green grid could be represented differently. I also want to stress that slope that is represented by a yellow line in the grid does not necessarily mean the pin is illegal. Instead, it is an easily recognizable sign that there may be excess slope in an area. We have guidelines that we follow and ask our rangers to point out any "yellow slopes" within a 4-foot radius of the pin (easily distinguishable by a focusing on a 3x3 grid surrounding the hole). There are times when a "yellow slope" is deemed acceptable, and times when we either ask the designer for a change or forego using the course altogether. When deciding whether to accept the course as-is or to ask for a change, we consider the length and direction of the offending slope(s), the frequency that players will encounter excess slope throughout the event, and whether there are other changes we would like the designer to make (such as removing a tree, moving some tees, modifying playing conditions). We're bound to miss a few things from time to time. Overall I think we do a great job. Had I played pin 4 prior to the tournament, I would have reported it as 2 sqares from the back on hole 1. There were a few others that were questionable and could have gone either way. I know when I ranger courses, I try my best not to make the designer go back and change things. Also, when I ranger a course, I think about discussions just like this. That pin might not be illegal by the book, but everyone's going to complain about it.
Overall, I think we do a pretty good job, and often times we let some things slide, especially if the course is for PGA or WT. My issues with this course really centered around the lag. The front nine was really tough to play. Add in a few tough pins, and you've got frustration. I like the course very much. The designer did a great job overall, but just got a little heavy handed with the planting (grass especially). This isn't an example of a sub-par course being squezzed into the schedule at all. I just think we (rangers) should have taken the questionable stuff a little more seriously. All the little things added up and frustrated a lot of people. I shot 28 under and was not completely happy.
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Aug 2, 2018 12:24:05 GMT -5
Five rangers tested this course and none of them reported any excess slope near the pins. I didn't find any examples of excess slope on my own play-through either. No one reported any pins within 3 yards of any green edge. With that said, depending on the angle at which the green grid is drawn - which is always predicated on the direction between your ball and the hole - the green grid could be represented differently. I also want to stress that slope that is represented by a yellow line in the grid does not necessarily mean the pin is illegal. Instead, it is an easily recognizable sign that there may be excess slope in an area. We have guidelines that we follow and ask our rangers to point out any "yellow slopes" within a 4-foot radius of the pin (easily distinguishable by a focusing on a 3x3 grid surrounding the hole). There are times when a "yellow slope" is deemed acceptable, and times when we either ask the designer for a change or forego using the course altogether. When deciding whether to accept the course as-is or to ask for a change, we consider the length and direction of the offending slope(s), the frequency that players will encounter excess slope throughout the event, and whether there are other changes we would like the designer to make (such as removing a tree, moving some tees, modifying playing conditions). We're bound to miss a few things from time to time. Overall I think we do a great job. Had I played pin 4 prior to the tournament, I would have reported it as 2 sqares from the back on hole 1. There were a few others that were questionable and could have gone either way. I know when I ranger courses, I try my best not to make the designer go back and change things. Also, when I ranger a course, I think about discussions just like this. That pin might not be illegal by the book, but everyone's going to complain about it.
Overall, I think we do a pretty good job, and often times we let some things slide, especially if the course is for PGA or WT. My issues with this course really centered around the lag. The front nine was really tough to play. Add in a few tough pins, and you've got frustration. I like the course very much. The designer did a great job overall, but just got a little heavy handed with the planting (grass especially). This isn't an example of a sub-par course being squezzed into the schedule at all. I just think we (rangers) should have taken the questionable stuff a little more seriously. All the little things added up and frustrated a lot of people. I shot 28 under and was not completely happy. You guys do a great job and I know that things will get missed as it's impossible to cover every foot of a course. Yes people will look for something to blame for a bad round, but if something does come up I think a bit of acknowledgement can help like you did on the previous post.
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Post by IGolfBad on Aug 2, 2018 18:35:33 GMT -5
I played the event in CC-A, and my ranger senses didn’t pick up any questionable pin placements whatsoever. I’m a hack and I fired -33. Had I actually rangered the course, my only point would have been the number of instances of considerable lag on some of the holes, especially early on.
I think the course plays more strategic than others where taking the path to a green in regulation was almost always the most prudent approach. Seemed a rather fitting CC-Pro track.
Then again maybe I’ve gotten better over the year. 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 3, 2018 8:12:18 GMT -5
First. The ONLY issue I have about this course is the frame rate. Somebody should have put up a red flag on that one.
2nd. The rest is just complaining. If I would have golfed better I would have loved the course even with the issues so let’s move on.
3rd. I’m only 9 strokes away from NOT getting a double strike after Missing the exemption by a few strokes last week. Im going to need a -18 in the last round to only get ONE strike LOL
People need to lighten up. ITS A GAME.
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Post by cephyn on Aug 3, 2018 8:51:32 GMT -5
Shot a 74 in Rd3. Nothing went right...tempo issues...aim issues...putting poorly....ugh. Disaster of a week. I'll finish out Rd4 tonight but...half heartedly.
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Post by sinker on Aug 3, 2018 9:22:03 GMT -5
Last week got a double strike and there was no course problems. This week,there's course problems and I'm leading CC-B after 3 rounds. Go figure.
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Post by Violinguy69 on Aug 3, 2018 11:36:52 GMT -5
Just a bit of advice here to take with a bottle of salt.... When I have time, I like to play a practice round. If I don't like the course, I don't play that week. If I love the course, but can't make birdies, I don't play that week. I rarely skip weeks, but when I do, it's because I know I'm headed for trouble if I play. I don't mean this to sound nasty like, "if you don't like it, take a hike." Not at all. I'm just saying that real life tour pros play or don't play based on the course often times. Of course, at the end of the day, this is a game, played for fun. Yes there is competition and frustration at not moving up the tours, but in the end, enjoying the game is what is most important. Hence, if I know I'm not going to enjoy the game because the course is bad (not the case with this course) or whatever, I don't play. Why put myself through that? The above advice has saved untold numbers of controllers from meeting an ugly demise. Just sayin'.
*EDIT* I forgot to say that, yes I played a practice round here and thought very seriously about skipping this one. I didn't, and through two rounds was very happy with that decision (60-63). Unfortunately, I went only 7-under the rest of the way.
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 3, 2018 11:53:05 GMT -5
Just a bit of advice here to take with a bottle of salt.... When I have time, I like to play a practice round. If I don't like the course, I don't play that week. If I love the course, but can't make birdies, I don't play that week. I rarely skip weeks, but when I do, it's because I know I'm headed for trouble if I play. I don't mean this to sound nasty like, "if you don't like it, take a hike." Not at all. I'm just saying that real life tour pros play or don't play based on the course often times. Of course, at the end of the day, this is a game, played for fun. Yes there is competition and frustration at not moving up the tours, but in the end, enjoying the game is what is most important. Hence, if I know I'm not going to enjoy the game because the course is bad (not the case with this course) or whatever, I don't play. Why put myself through that? The above advice has saved untold numbers of controllers from meeting an ugly demise. Just sayin'. 1. a WHOLE bottle of salt? 2. Yea -I do that also Maestro but even when I suck in practice and tell myself I will NOT play the course . . . .and there I go and play it. 3. Like this week, after 2 rounds I knew I sucked and decided to screw it and play "for fun" and not care about the score or strikes. I knew I would get a double strike but it's better then not finishing - I'm not a surrender monkey. 4. OF COURSE - when I'm up to 4 strikes . . it gets real.
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Post by cephyn on Aug 3, 2018 13:31:03 GMT -5
Just a bit of advice here to take with a bottle of salt.... When I have time, I like to play a practice round. If I don't like the course, I don't play that week. If I love the course, but can't make birdies, I don't play that week. I rarely skip weeks, but when I do, it's because I know I'm headed for trouble if I play. I don't mean this to sound nasty like, "if you don't like it, take a hike." Not at all. I'm just saying that real life tour pros play or don't play based on the course often times. Of course, at the end of the day, this is a game, played for fun. Yes there is competition and frustration at not moving up the tours, but in the end, enjoying the game is what is most important. Hence, if I know I'm not going to enjoy the game because the course is bad (not the case with this course) or whatever, I don't play. Why put myself through that? The above advice has saved untold numbers of controllers from meeting an ugly demise. Just sayin'.
*EDIT* I forgot to say that, yes I played a practice round here and thought very seriously about skipping this one. I didn't, and through two rounds was very happy with that decision (60-63). Unfortunately, I went only 7-under the rest of the way.
None of my official rounds have come close to my practice round. It's just a bad week.
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Post by kcfox on Aug 3, 2018 15:09:55 GMT -5
This is the poorest showing I have had this season. About 7th hole round 2 I just gave up. Stayed in just to keep my friend company while he still had a somewhat decent score.
On to the next one. +4. I don't understand how there are 2 players below me with +25ish scores. I gave up, but do people purposely try to get +20 scores, I don't see any other way than to TRY and play that bad.
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