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Post by B.Smooth13 on Sept 21, 2017 7:59:56 GMT -5
Here's the idea...I have a course currently in progress, and will be through the front 9 sometime this week. I can't be sure why, but the thought crossed my head that it might be cool to start this thread and invite anyone interested to throw out ideas for hole design. I will assume that this isn't the first time this concept or something similar has been done, but it at least hasn't happened in my time here. I'm not asking anyone to create and post a detailed, yardage book style, high res blueprint (unless you're really into that), but rather something as simple as opening Microsoft paint and sketching out an idea. That sketch would need to include at least a yardage so I can get a sense of scale, and other things that could be shown include: tee box shape/placement/angle, fairway routing, bunker placement/type, green angle/shape/positioning, water hazards or specific trees, and/or any elevation changes/slopes you had in mind. It can be as detailed or as vague as you would like - the purpose of this is just to have some fun throwing around hole layout ideas, and it certainly isn't my intent to have anyone sink a lot of time into creating a blueprint that ultimately may not be used. To provide a frame of reference for your thinking, the course is Swiss theme, tree-lined but not overly so, the plot started full flat and now has various ponds/lakes, and there isn't a great deal of elevation change on-course (most for any single shot thus far is +21ft).I do want to be clear that every sketch that is posted isn't guaranteed to be incorporated. I don't think that would be an issue, or even come close to it really, but just want to make sure I'm upfront with that so no one feels slighted. While I'm building the back 9, I'll look through here for any ideas and see if I can make them fit with the course, play fun and fair, and look nice (or as good as my abilities allow). This could mean that nearly an identical representation of a sketch turns into a hole, or it may mean that a few general ideas of a sketch are incorporated to an existing idea or combined with another sketch. I'm not really sure what the eventual outcome will be, and it will be a fluid process that is determined by whatever level of involvement I receive in this thread - but whatever that final product is, I'm hoping to have a bit of fun along the way. My main goal is to get some involvement in design from the community in the quickest/easiest/most simple way possible. That may mean a fairly specific sketch from a well known designer, or a quick idea from someone who has aspirations of designing their 1st course but haven't quite gotten over the mental hurdle of learning everything that is the TGC Course Designer. I want to encourage anyone with any ideas to throw them out, that's part of the enjoyment of the process. Then, as the course is being built, I will try to update this thread with WIP pictures, and hopefully whatever level of involvement I get here will help to create some sense of investment in the final product. Or, in the possible event people read this and think "No thanks, I'll keep my ideas to myself you lazy ass," then I'll build the back 9 in-house . My main reservation with this idea is having people come to the conclusion that I'm trying to outsource hole design because I'm out of ideas, or because I think it will be easier than coming up with them on my own - that couldn't be further from the truth. I'm simply looking to have a bit of creative fun with anyone who thinks this is an interesting idea, and I honestly have no idea how this will go - so we'll find out together. So...what do you all think? This is obviously something I haven't done before, so I'm very open to any and all ideas, suggestions, etc. Please feel free to speak up if you have those. I will reply to the OP with an example of what I'm talking about, but if there are more questions about the general concept here then fire away and I'll do my best to answer. Hopefully a few others find this an interesting idea, because I think it could be a lot of fun - looking forward to seeing some of the creativity this community has to offer!
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Sept 21, 2017 8:02:05 GMT -5
Here's an example of the quick, simple sketch I'm talking about. This took me about 5 minutes to make, and it's a really general representation of the 1st hole on the course (not exact by any means). This also doesn't mean that whatever sketches are posted have to look like this, or anything like it - be as creative, unique, inventive, etc. as you would like.
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Post by Terry Grayson on Sept 21, 2017 9:23:36 GMT -5
Threw this little idea together may not be worth a hill of beans, but I kinda like the idea Like the idea on the post as well.....
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Post by Han on Sept 21, 2017 9:28:55 GMT -5
I may throw you a couple of ideas when I get home from work later tonight.
Any sketches I post will likely only be rough ideas so you will have to fill in the blanks (such as specific bunker shapes, final planting etc) as you see fit to suit your own style.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Sept 21, 2017 10:12:47 GMT -5
Threw this little idea together may not be worth a hill of beans, but I kinda like the idea Like the idea on the post as well..... Awesome Terry! Love the detail and design. Thanks for being the first to step up and throw one out. I may throw you a couple of ideas when I get home from work later tonight. Any sketches I post will likely only be rough ideas so you will have to fill in the blanks (such as specific bunker shapes, final planting etc) as you see fit to suit your own style. Sounds great! Don't feel the need to do anything fancy or overly detailed. To be honest, what Terry just posted is waaay above the level of specificity I was expecting to get - which is an awesome thing, don't get me wrong. Just don't want others to see that and think their sketch has to be anywhere near as detailed. I think a lot of the enjoyment of this will be meshing the sketches with how I see the various ideas working into the existing course structure, and kind of figuring out what works and what doesn't as I go along - point being, don't stress about having every little thing charted and defined, because chances are that all of those small details may well not be included exactly as drawn.
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Post by jivesinator on Sept 21, 2017 10:28:38 GMT -5
I'll throw something together tonight as well, I have a lot of unused drawings that may or may not make one of my designs.
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Post by jivesinator on Sept 21, 2017 20:20:22 GMT -5
Finished up an idea for a mid-long par 3 so here it is. Idea is for it to favor fades into most positions and have the player fearful of missing right. It would probably work well after a hole with danger on the left side and maybe towards the end of the card? I dunno, just an idea, you choose whether to use it or not
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 20:28:39 GMT -5
Brilliant idea. The designer confuses/infuriates me, I’ll get some basics down on paper and post them here 👍
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Sept 22, 2017 7:27:18 GMT -5
Another really great and detailed sketch jivesinator - thanks! You guys are making me feel a bit guilty about my hole planning with these blueprints lol Here is what I'm thinking. I went ahead and got #'s 8 & 9 laid down yesterday so that I could move on to the back side with some of your designs. The front 9 still needs plenty of polishing, but it's a start. Anyway, I think I'll start today with my hacked up version of Terry Grayson's concept. I say "hacked up" because both of the blueprints posted are made so well that I'm genuinely worried that I won't be able to do them justice - and that's a concern I hadn't even considered in proposing this idea! Told you that we'd have to learn along the way... Terry - I think your hole idea would be a good fit for #10, with 1 major alteration and a few other minor changes. Firstly, the layout will have to be flipped horizontally, playing left-to-right rather than the way you've drawn it. The plot already has a lake/pond in the center, with the front 9 running out from the clubhouse along the right side, so the back will be on the left. The lake/pond has nice linear sloping toward it, and I think you're hole idea could plop right down on that slope. The other small things I immediately see that won't be exact deal with the water. Your sketch shows more of a running stream/river, which will instead be that lake/pond. Not the exact same, but terms of playability and positioning, the hazard will serve the same purpose. Not having that stream/river cutting between the teeing grounds and fairway will be a bit of a departure, granted, but I'll see what I can do...Not really mentioning this for any other reason than to give you an idea of how I see it fitting, which I feel compelled to do since you were so nice as to post the design - hopefully I'm able to do your idea justice. John - I wish so badly that I had seen this before I started working on #8 yesterday, because that hole is so similar to what I built that it's kind of funny. My #8 is a par 3, lake background, green angled right-to-left with a bunker guarding the front center/right edge...I mean, even the pins 3 & 4 on your drawing are basically exactly where I have pins 1 & 4 lol. I did made it a shorter hole (155yds) as it is definitely on the smaller side in terms of landing zones, so they aren't exactly the same - it's just that I could have made the bones of your design fit into #8 so easily. That said, I still love the concept and don't think it would be overly repetitive to work it on on the back, mostly because to my eye, your green looks more stretched/oblong than the slightly more rounded/oval shape of my #8. Hard to explain, but I can both see how your hole would have fit where my #8 is now, AND see how it can be a completely unique hole. The other par 3 already built is in the 190-200 yard shot range, so 170 to the middle would fit well, too. I think I have an idea of where the backdrop you have envisioned would fit, but need to see things start to come together better before I'm certain of where it would fall in the routing. Thanks again for offering up the idea, and I'll definitely be looking to at least incorporate the idea you have, if not the hole itself (or my interpretation of the hole). I'll try to snap a few pictures later today and post them in here so you guys can see how things are coming along.
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Post by Terry Grayson on Sept 22, 2017 7:36:34 GMT -5
Another really great and detailed sketch jivesinator - thanks! You guys are making me feel a bit guilty about my hole planning with these blueprints lol Here is what I'm thinking. I went ahead and got #'s 8 & 9 laid down yesterday so that I could move on to the back side with some of your designs. The front 9 still needs plenty of polishing, but it's a start. Anyway, I think I'll start today with my hacked up version of Terry Grayson 's concept. I say "hacked up" because both of the blueprints posted are made so well that I'm genuinely worried that I won't be able to do them justice - and that's a concern I hadn't even considered in proposing this idea! Told you that we'd have to learn along the way... Terry - I think your hole idea would be a good fit for #10, with 1 major alteration and a few other minor changes. Firstly, the layout will have to be flipped horizontally, playing left-to-right rather than the way you've drawn it. The plot already has a lake/pond in the center, with the front 9 running out from the clubhouse along the right side, so the back will be on the left. The lake/pond has nice linear sloping toward it, and I think you're hole idea could plop right down on that slope. The other small things I immediately see that won't be exact deal with the water. Your sketch shows more of a running stream/river, which will instead be that lake/pond. Not the exact same, but terms of playability and positioning, the hazard will serve the same purpose. Not having that stream/river cutting between the teeing grounds and fairway will be a bit of a departure, granted, but I'll see what I can do...Not really mentioning this for any other reason than to give you an idea of how I see it fitting, which I feel compelled to do since you were so nice as to post the design - hopefully I'm able to do your idea justice. John - I wish so badly that I had seen this before I started working on #8 yesterday, because that hole is so similar to what I built that it's kind of funny. My #8 is a par 3, lake background, green angled right-to-left with a bunker guarding the front center/right edge...I mean, even the pins 3 & 4 on your drawing are basically exactly where I have pins 1 & 4 lol. I did made it a shorter hole (155yds) as it is definitely on the smaller side in terms of landing zones, so they aren't exactly the same - it's just that I could have made the bones of your design fit into #8 so easily. That said, I still love the concept and don't think it would be overly repetitive to work it on on the back, mostly because to my eye, your green looks more stretched/oblong than the slightly more rounded/oval shape of my #8. Hard to explain, but I can both see how your hole would have fit where my #8 is now, AND see how it can be a completely unique hole. The other par 3 already built is in the 190-200 yard shot range, so 170 to the middle would fit well, too. I think I have an idea of where the backdrop you have envisioned would fit, but need to see things start to come together better before I'm certain of where it would fall in the routing. Thanks again for offering up the idea, and I'll definitely be looking to at least incorporate the idea you have, if not the hole itself (or my interpretation of the hole). I'll try to snap a few pictures later today and post them in here so you guys can see how things are coming along. That's cool Justin... I really like this idea of you getting folks to do this and throw ideas out there... I really liked John's vision on that par three.... I really struggle sometimes in hole routing and design concepts, its like I have ten million ideas floating around in this melon of a head, but never can truly get them out on the designer....ha ha Good stuff, cant wait to see what you come up with and others if they decide to share some ideas as well Terry
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Post by Clint Kelso on Sept 22, 2017 8:15:10 GMT -5
I'll sketch one for ya bhd
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Post by mrvinegar206 on Sept 22, 2017 11:11:53 GMT -5
Finished up an idea for a mid-long par 3 so here it is. Idea is for it to favor fades into most positions and have the player fearful of missing right. It would probably work well after a hole with danger on the left side and maybe towards the end of the card? I dunno, just an idea, you choose whether to use it or not Looks like a hole straight out of a Nicklaus course
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Post by Han on Sept 22, 2017 11:27:18 GMT -5
Slightly uphill tee shot, relatively narrow - tree lined both sides. Gentle sloped hill from tee side, severe slope down to creek and ponds on far side Lone trees both on left side of fairway tee side of hill and right side on top of hill Raised green on top of second hill (not as high as first one so slightly downhill shot from on top of first hill) Deep bunkers front right of green Steep drop off on right side and back of green, mounding to left Single signature tree behind green - rest of view overlooking lower area of course ? Semi risk/reward - safe shot to brow of hill leaving approx 200 yds approach, longer shot off tee leaves either a downhill lie for approach or flirts with pond/creek (driveable with decent tailwind) Creek side of hill has "hump" in centre of fairway so it slopes both left towards closer part of creek and right to give a slightly longer approach over the bunkers Suggested approx green slopes shown All distances are approx and will need adjusting for hill height, ball run etc. Are you ready for my awesome paint skills......
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Post by mrvinegar206 on Sept 22, 2017 12:01:09 GMT -5
How the duck do I upload a pic
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Post by jivesinator on Sept 22, 2017 13:22:09 GMT -5
How the duck do I upload a pic You can use an image hosting site. If you need you can send the picture to me and I'll be happy to put it up on here.
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