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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 11:15:09 GMT -5
once again, someone banging on about "the left" in America. There is no left in America. There is Sanders, who has caused some noise, but never had any power, and that's it. Obama was not "left," anything you personally don't like does not equal "left..." I love how you try and diminish what I said by "someone banging on about". So passive aggressive. YOU keep saying there is no left in America. Well maybe not in your eyes but in this country The leading Dems in the pols are considered left and far left. Minus Binden. Not sure WTF he is about. No one does. My point was the Dems and Trump need independent voters to win. People like my wife who is independent. She voted for Obama the first time but not the second and then Trump. There are a ton of people who do not like Trump at all but there other option is some form of Socialism. So they vote for Trump. It is the same tape playing all over again from 2016. Obviously not the same movie because Clinton was not a "socialist" but just a horrible candidate. Let me ask you something. If you were born here in the same circumstances as I do you think you would have the same views? I am guessing if it was the opposite I might have the same views as you. Where you are born and how you raised is such an important part of your beliefs. Of course some people rebel and go the opposite way. I actually did at one time and wanted nothing to do with this business I run now. But then sh%$ hit the fan in 2006 and I had no choice. Before 2006 I never voted and never cared about politics. Once I had a ton of responsibilities I had to change my thinking and start paying attention more to who is running this country.
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Post by LKeet6 on Jul 10, 2019 11:18:53 GMT -5
You've accused me, and others, of being very "victimy" quite a few times in this thread, and yet you constantly seem to take these debates very personally. I said I didn't see you as authoritarian, you just ignored that. All during this debate about what right wing means, YOU personally weren't called anything?! Neither was it said ALL right wingers fall under EXACTLY the same definitions. I made the point right wingers in this thread have been "pro" (or not "against") homosexuality and drug taking. But you ignored that too. It's also CLEARLY been said all democrats are NOT the same. So, er, stop playing the victim I don't understand how you made this leap? Yes you might have said those things. Are you upset that I didn't acknowledge it? Well here is your acknowledgement. So now what does this have to do with this post? First off Am I not allowed to defend myself? Or is that victimhood? Second, I was asking questions in this post? Do you just hate me? Do you just want me to go away to have your own echo chamber? I don't get your response to what we are talking about. The points I have been making is in response to Trump's administration is a dictatorship? Do I just go back to my little hole and let stuff like this go unchallenged? If that is what people want here is a "safe space" then fine. You do realize that I have been wrong on several occasions in here and have admitted so when presented with facts. The fact you made this about you does show me that you have the same tendencies that Trump does. How is that for drawing some conclusions. And yes you can't challenge me on that fact because I will say that you are playing the victim card. Geesh. You've done a GREAT job of proving you don't have a victim complex there...woah... What are you "defending" yourself from?? I don't see you being attacked ANYWHERE in here; you're just debating with people?! They're not even talking about you?! (You're each saying how you see American politics??) No, I'm not upset you didn't acknowledge me; I don't give a crap. I was making the point you didn't acknowledge, as it demonstrates you're more interested in showing how you've been wronged. No, I don't hate you. No I don't need you to leave, or need an echo chamber. (Not sure how I've even come close to demonstrating either of the last two...) Lolz to the final "point..."
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Post by LKeet6 on Jul 10, 2019 11:20:19 GMT -5
So I'm supposed to care what ill-informed Americans "consider" left??
Cool, they're wrong...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 11:32:52 GMT -5
So I'm supposed to care what ill-informed Americans "consider" left?? Cool, they're wrong... Dude you are something else. So we are supposed to care what an ill informed person from the UK or wherever you are from considers left? You ever consider that you are wrong? How can anyone debate with someone like this? I know I have had my moments but I do try and see the other side and I do belief in a lot of the social programs the left pushes and I have no bias to anyone unless you @!$# with family or my money. That is it. It is that simple. I want to be left alone and not told what to do by some clown in the government. Is that so bad? Anyway I it is best that we leave you guys to your safe space. Anyone that comes in here ( I have stayed the longest) and disagrees gets attacked by people who think they know what is better for people in a country they do not even live in. Can not make that up.
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Post by LKeet6 on Jul 10, 2019 11:53:52 GMT -5
But I'm not ill-informed.
My parents studied politics, were deeply involved in politics, taught me, showed me books to read. And then I studied politics.
Doesn't make my OPINIONS "right," nobody can claim that with 100% certainty.
But I know what "left wing" means, it's not a matter of debate.
And MANY americans do NOT know what it is, because they have NOT studied it. Listening to some guy on fox news who ALSO doesn't know what it means, makes you ill-informed.
I've accepted others' opinions in this thread, and engaged in back and forth exchanging of views; plenty of times. This particular issue is not an opinion based debate...
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Post by cliffs on Jul 10, 2019 13:06:33 GMT -5
Gotta love trolling with flair.
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Post by paulus on Jul 10, 2019 13:21:18 GMT -5
Nepotism - Hmm while I can agree with you on this one to a certain extent. Does that make him a dictatorship? Good to see you agree with the facts here. This alone doesn't make him a dictator - but it's a big indicator when you look through history. Intolarance to Dissent - He revoked Acosta right. Who if you want to be honest was grandstanding and continues to do so. Where has he threatened to jail political opposition? He's not just sidelined Acosta, other journalists and media outlets have been sidelined. On the 2nd point - have you really already forgotten "lock her up"? Self Interest - He didn't create the Tax Relief. He was one small cog. Now do I think he objected to it no. I didn't either? That doesn't make me a dictator now does it? I think it's fair to say the President is the biggest cog <--- had to try realllllly hard not to deliberately mis-spell that Flat right I'm afraid - I said his *rate* of EO's is above any other. His *total* amount is still lower than some 2 term Presidents - but once he's done @!$#ing up your country he will have signed more than anyone else. Resistance to Oversight - When is releasing tax returns: 1) a dictatorship property 2) even a requirement here in the US. It's pertinent when you consider every other modern President has done this - only Trump thinks he should be above it. Divide & Rule - Scapegoats is a broad word. Some of the stuff in the beginning is cringe worthy. I have said that before. Do I think it is dictatorship? No. I do wish he would just keep his mouth shut. IMO, Democrats have done more to divide this country over the last 20 years or so then before. It is called identity politics. This is what is going to get Trump elected. For better or worse this is it. Plus the economy. You may point to the Dems on an unrelated point you like, I don't think it's true - the right have had more than a little role to play in the identity politics shift. But we're talking about Trump here, so do stay focussed dear chap. Displays of Military Power - Good Lord. You hanging your hat on that one. Don't the French do that every Bastille Day? Threw it in because it's funny - and definitely an indicator - he's the only President that has felt the need to do this in living memory (outside of war parades).
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jul 10, 2019 14:19:43 GMT -5
Trump supporter complaining about identity politics - that is f***ing hilarious
Half of his schtick is whining and b%&ing that the US is being bullied by those pesky Mexicans/Liberals/Deep State/Delete as appropriate.
Half of his base are inadequate middle aged white guys*** who just love to go around acting like they are some oppressed minority themselves. "Waaah waaaah i'm no longer allowed to be racist and i am expected to treat women with courtesy - IT'S POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD AND IT'S NOT FAIR "
All because they are too stupid to understand that giving "other" people better lives & more rights isn't the reason their own lives are so s**t. Trump is meant to be this strongman but he's the ultimate snowflake - the whole thing is based on victimhood.
*** - as a highly inadequate nearly middle aged white guy i am allowed to use that phrase
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Post by cliffs on Jul 10, 2019 19:03:24 GMT -5
DT's 4th of July parade; Pentagon $1.2 million, parks services $2.5 million, learning about the historical significance of revolutionary airports; priceless
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 21:54:45 GMT -5
Trump supporter complaining about identity politics - that is f***ing hilarious
Half of his schtick is whining and b%&ing that the US is being bullied by those pesky Mexicans/Liberals/Deep State/Delete as appropriate.
Half of his base are inadequate middle aged white guys*** who just love to go around acting like they are some oppressed minority themselves. "Waaah waaaah i'm no longer allowed to be racist and i am expected to treat women with courtesy - IT'S POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD AND IT'S NOT FAIR "
All because they are too stupid to understand that giving "other" people better lives & more rights isn't the reason their own lives are so s**t. Trump is meant to be this strongman but he's the ultimate snowflake - the whole thing is based on victimhood.
*** - as a highly inadequate nearly middle aged white guy i am allowed to use that phrase
How many days have you spent in America? STFU. You clowns realize how many people you are calling morons right? Millions of people. Well I guess it's par for the course with the European type. Smartest guy in the bathroom. Trump will win again. Because of morons. Think about it. Might hurt your vagina but think about it. Why did he win the first time?
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Post by LKeet6 on Jul 11, 2019 2:32:02 GMT -5
Triggered...BAD...
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Post by cliffs on Jul 11, 2019 5:56:54 GMT -5
Trump supporter complaining about identity politics - that is f***ing hilarious
Half of his schtick is whining and b%&ing that the US is being bullied by those pesky Mexicans/Liberals/Deep State/Delete as appropriate.
Half of his base are inadequate middle aged white guys*** who just love to go around acting like they are some oppressed minority themselves. "Waaah waaaah i'm no longer allowed to be racist and i am expected to treat women with courtesy - IT'S POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD AND IT'S NOT FAIR "
All because they are too stupid to understand that giving "other" people better lives & more rights isn't the reason their own lives are so s**t. Trump is meant to be this strongman but he's the ultimate snowflake - the whole thing is based on victimhood.
*** - as a highly inadequate nearly middle aged white guy i am allowed to use that phrase
How many days have you spent in America? STFU. You clowns realize how many people you are calling morons right? Millions of people. Well I guess it's par for the course with the European type. Smartest guy in the bathroom. Trump will win again. Because of morons. Think about it. Might hurt your vagina but think about it. Why did he win the first time? I have lived here for well over 24,000 days and I tell you, he is spot on. Millions of morons voted for DT because of who he ran against. Gee you even agree with him by telling us that he will win again because of morons. Does your vagina/cornhole hurt a little less because you admit to being a moron? So where's your beef with him? Think about it.
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Post by gregfordyce on Jul 11, 2019 8:28:47 GMT -5
It's pathetic that the bar has been lowered this much. All Presidents in history have had their flaws - obviously, they are all human - but most at least tried to rise to the greatness and dignity of the Office; after all, they are representing our entire nation on the world stage, and before history. Look at how far we have fallen today. Trump's supporters are proud of his vulgarity and his "un-Presidential-ness," and his "owning the libs" and destroying the decorum of the Office. they LOVE his lies, and his thuggishness and his Nazi-esque hate rallies, etc. When he shows his stupidity - like his comment about there being airports during the Revolutionary War - they brush it aside or pretend he was just kidding or saying it to tweak people's noses.There is literally NOTHING this toilet of a human being can say or do that will turn his supporters off or away from him. The Republican party is quite literally a cult now, 100% enthralled to their Dear Leader.
It is absolutely disgusting, and none of them will be remembered fondly by future Americans or historians. (And when told this, they are proud of that fact, also. They print off another million "Deplorable and Proud Of It!" tee-shirts.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 19:28:00 GMT -5
He won because the Democratic party is a bunch of morons. They can't or won't understand that a moderate solid candidate would beat Trump.
Yup I'm a moron. I believe in this country and think no matter what we will continue to be the best place on Earth to live. That is if you want to work a little and take some risks. Even under our enlighten woke libtards rule I still think we will be ok. America is very resilient. We went from Obama to Trump. We don't like something we try something new.
I don't like be put into a category. I'm not a blind Trump supporter. I also don't like being judged by liberal Europeans when I have never said much about the state if their country. Why? Because I don't live there. I might be liberal if I lived there. Who knows. I do know what I am and where I have been. I will never vote Democratic but I would vote for a moderate.
Whatever though. Trumo is the ultimate troll for you guys. Amazing how much it matters to you. As I said before I hope a lib wins so STFU up. Then when your health care is run like the VA, education is even more sh%$, those immigrants take all the jobs you don't want and taxes go up across the board you will be content. Hell of a plan hope it works out for you.
I can absorb all of that. Don't really care. I don't give a @!$# who is President. I choose my own path .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 19:41:26 GMT -5
Trump blasts Bitcoin, Facebook's Libra, demands they face banking regulations finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-blasts-bitcoin-facebooks-libra-003140554.html"If Facebook and other companies want to become a bank, they must seek a new Banking Charter and become subject to all Banking Regulations, just like other Banks, both National and International," Trump wrote on Twitter. ======== Don't agree with him on Bitcoin at all. It's a threat to big money. Ironically you clowns probably agree with Trump. Watching it now probably buy more! Also looking into mining and helping global warming advance.
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