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Post by nevadaballin on Dec 15, 2018 13:41:11 GMT -5
I guarantee you that combine poll is inaccurate. I mean, we can't even count actual casted ballots here - we really want to trust what a non-official poll(s) says? Not me. No way. The poll-takers can take their damaging, inaccurate polls (and they are damaging and inaccurate) and shove them. Polls are horrible indicators. People lie like their name is Trump when they take those things.
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Post by paulus on Dec 15, 2018 14:17:19 GMT -5
The actual number is unimportant to my point really Jimmy. Many many millions of people do support him even tho they know he's a liar and a cheat.
Agree that many polls are conducted in such a way that they reveal very little. And the more seriously undertaken ones generally have their margin of errors ignored when being cited. Polls can be useful as an indicator of sentiment if used properly. I guess the question I'd put back is... What other ways are there of gaining insight or knowledge of sentiment towards a particular subject? They exist because they're just about the only tool in town. They're wrong sometimes. They're right sometimes. They're misused most of the time.
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Post by nevadaballin on Dec 15, 2018 15:49:30 GMT -5
The actual number is unimportant to my point really Jimmy. Many many millions of people do support him even tho they know he's a liar and a cheat. Agree that many polls are conducted in such a way that they reveal very little. And the more seriously undertaken ones generally have their margin of errors ignored when being cited. Polls can be useful as an indicator of sentiment if used properly. I guess the question I'd put back is... What other ways are there of gaining insight or knowledge of sentiment towards a particular subject? They exist because they're just about the only tool in town. They're wrong sometimes. They're right sometimes. They're misused most of the time. Never saw a poll that was right. Show me one, I really need to see it. Our best barometer are the actual election results. Unfortunately, our flawed system does not allow for the person with the most votes to win. Otherwise, the "other" polls are truly worthless. I don't believe they add any significance of truth to anything they ask. The sample sizes are small, there are people answering who are dishonest with their answers and then there is the overall "center" of those polled - were they likely voters? Mostly conservative? Did anyone even ask who they were polling? An article from last year delves into this a bit...... Polling firm Rasmussen Reports reported that 50 percent of Americans approve of President Donald Trump’s performance, while, that same day, Gallup stated that only 37 percent do. In late February, the website FiveThirtyEight listed 18 other presidential approval polls in which Trump’s approval ratings ranged from 39 percent to 55 percent. Article > theconversation.com/why-polls-seem-to-struggle-to-get-it-right-on-elections-and-everything-else-73579That last line that it in bold - therein lies the problem with polls and why I will never trust what they say. The subject of the poll is irrelevant. It could be Trump, Obama or Jesus Christ himself, the polls will be skewed by inaccuracy. One of my pet peeves is when someone quotes a poll and says "55% of Americans think blah blah blah..." No, that is not what the poll says. The poll says 55% of the people you polled you think that.
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Post by karma4u on Dec 17, 2018 0:57:34 GMT -5
Just a reminder of the character of the POTUS. No empathy, he is an empty shell. Has to use a cue card to be able to try and converse with H.S students who were the victims of a horrific shooting. So sad.....
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Post by joegolferg on Dec 17, 2018 5:06:13 GMT -5
I've found someone who is more unhinged than Trump... Yeah, really.
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Post by nevadaballin on Dec 17, 2018 13:15:18 GMT -5
Sooooo.... what's the deal across the pound - you peeps going to re-vote on a Brexit or wut?
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Post by nevadaballin on Dec 17, 2018 14:08:28 GMT -5
The depth at which Russian involvement on influencing our elections - and Trump's support of Russia doing so - is astounding. The Russian trolls actually set up religious social media groups based in the USA and offered counseling for people with sex problems - so they could find people who would be subjects for blackmail later to influence votes. Probably have some dirt on Trump himself in this area on top of his known problems of cheating and lying to his wives. The irony... now he cheats on his country.
Not enough in that effort alone to change the outcome but the reports do show some votes were influenced by the Trump's crime family counter-parts in Russia.
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Post by paulus on Dec 17, 2018 15:54:56 GMT -5
Sooooo.... what's the deal across the pound - you peeps going to re-vote on a Brexit or wut? Can't imagine it will happen. It's the most sensible thing to do - but when have sensible & politics ever gone together. Too many people are wedded to the "not interested in the details, just leave and damn the consequences" position. I think we're barrel rolling towards a no deal exit - which will see us revert to WTO rules. This is the worst outcome of all the possible scenarios. No surprise really - since 2016, the world over, the poor have been voting themselves into poorer situations.
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Post by nevadaballin on Dec 17, 2018 22:48:25 GMT -5
Sooooo.... what's the deal across the pound - you peeps going to re-vote on a Brexit or wut? Can't imagine it will happen. It's the most sensible thing to do - but when have sensible & politics ever gone together. Too many people are wedded to the "not interested in the details, just leave and damn the consequences" position. I think we're barrel rolling towards a no deal exit - which will see us revert to WTO rules. This is the worst outcome of all the possible scenarios. No surprise really - since 2016, the world over, the poor have been voting themselves into poorer situations. Ouch, a no deal exit isn't going to make anyone happy. Common sense isn't that common in any country, is it? lol.
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Post by cliffs on Dec 18, 2018 6:05:58 GMT -5
Priceless words from am ultraconservative...
"Instead of winning, we’re getting whining," conservative commentator Ann Coulter wrote last month in a column excoriating Trump for what she predicted would be his capitulation in funding the government without getting money for the wall. "Without a wall, he will only be remembered as a small cartoon figure who briefly inflamed and amused the rabble."
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Post by nevadaballin on Dec 18, 2018 13:20:19 GMT -5
Priceless words from am ultraconservative... "Instead of winning, we’re getting whining," conservative commentator Ann Coulter wrote last month in a column excoriating Trump for what she predicted would be his capitulation in funding the government without getting money for the wall. "Without a wall, he will only be remembered as a small cartoon figure who briefly inflamed and amused the rabble." The person i despise the most on this planet is Ann Coulter. She is more of a piece of sht than Trump. I couldn't care less what she thinks of Trump because what I think of her is much, much worse.
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Post by nevadaballin on Dec 18, 2018 13:34:39 GMT -5
Interesting turn of events with Flynn today. I think that judge was set to lock his asz up. Must be more in the bank with Flynn which is why the judge delayed the sentence? Or one traitor (Trump) wishing another traitor (Flynn) good luck this morning pissed him off?
And then there's this... Judge Sullivan: What’s all this BS on Fox News about you being trapped? Flynn: Nevermind.
Lol @ Fox News. What a disgusting network they have turned into. Never really liked them anyway but now they are nothing but gutter. A pseudo-state news agency that's trying to make it a news-run state - and Trump is doing it.
Last night I heard someone describe Trump as the "useful idiot" for the Republican party. They hate everything he says but as long as they can get their core sht done - SCOTUS and tax plans that benefit the 1% - then they couldn't care less - couldn't give a damn - about who suffers along the way.
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Post by ErixonStone on Dec 18, 2018 14:54:25 GMT -5
FOX News has a stake in advancing the Republican agenda and will stop at nothing to accomplish it. They continually prey on people's biases by aligning themselves with religious beliefs in order to gain people's trust, and then spoon-feed them grade-A baloney to push the Republican narrative and to demonize the opposing viewpoints.
FOX News continually engages in straw-man arguments and dumps everyone who opposes even one single viewpoint into the same demonized bucket. FOX News does not encourage any sort of meaningful debate or engage in any sort of collective problem-solving.
CNN is second-worst in this aspect. CNN routinely invites fringe right-wing paid contributors to present obviously flawed arguments against liberal ideas. The "guests" on CNN are caricatures of conservatives brought on for the sole purpose of ensuring that the viewing audience sides with the left-leaning hosts and panelists.
MSNBC is marginally better in that they typically only present the liberal viewpoint, and rarely engage in any kind of debate.
The problem with all of these outlets is that they are 24-hour television stations that are all fighting for viewership and money. They are not invested in public interest beyond the point where it earns them money.
It's very frustrating that we don't get facts without spin. It's worse that we get falsehoods parroted as if they were facts, and if they were as good as facts.
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Post by nevadaballin on Dec 18, 2018 15:23:15 GMT -5
FOX News has a stake in advancing the Republican agenda and will stop at nothing to accomplish it. They continually prey on people's biases by aligning themselves with religious beliefs in order to gain people's trust, and then spoon-feed them grade-A baloney to push the Republican narrative and to demonize the opposing viewpoints. FOX News continually engages in straw-man arguments and dumps everyone who opposes even one single viewpoint into the same demonized bucket. FOX News does not encourage any sort of meaningful debate or engage in any sort of collective problem-solving. CNN is second-worst in this aspect. CNN routinely invites fringe right-wing paid contributors to present obviously flawed arguments against liberal ideas. The "guests" on CNN are caricatures of conservatives brought on for the sole purpose of ensuring that the viewing audience sides with the left-leaning hosts and panelists. MSNBC is marginally better in that they typically only present the liberal viewpoint, and rarely engage in any kind of debate. The problem with all of these outlets is that they are 24-hour television stations that are all fighting for viewership and money. They are not invested in public interest beyond the point where it earns them money. It's very frustrating that we don't get facts without spin. It's worse that we get falsehoods parroted as if they were facts, and if they were as good as facts. Chris Cuomo on CNN has the best nightly domestic cable news program going. For more global news and views, it is Fareed Zakaria's GPS on Sundays. Just imo, CNN way above Fox and MSNBC in its reporting of what is fact and what is not. I believe CNN to be the fairest of the 3. I believe every cable news channel has paid pundits, and they are all told to present a conflictive view to generate ratings.
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Post by nevadaballin on Dec 18, 2018 15:55:04 GMT -5
Things are getting a bit progressive here in Nevada:
Nevada will become the first state to have a majority female Legislature
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